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Originally posted by Citizen Citizen wrote:

thought he had a decent game,

The 50% pass stat is such bollicks tbh. That’s based on crosses. He sticks the ball in the mixer. That’s what he does. 

He failed to stick the ball in the mixer
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Originally posted by Citizen Citizen wrote:

thought he had a decent game,

The 50% pass stat is such bollicks tbh. That’s based on crosses. He sticks the ball in the mixer. That’s what he does. 
 

i thought he gave away some cheap ball as usual.
 When the game goes daft in the latter stages like it did v swiss and danes at home then he is great because he has no time to think. 

he's just not that good a player but cannot be faulted for effort. 


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Thought he did OK. But two great positions to put in a decent ball when we were looking dangerous in the 2nd half, fluffed both of them. Sort of sums him up. 
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Can someone back up these stats as facts?  The source seems to be some lad on twitter. Very relaible.


Somebody going out of their way to build a case to discredit McClean.

I thought he was solid last night, he played well. Some of the crosses he put in that didn't find an Ireland play was poor no doubt.

He lacked that creativity that you want in the final third, would have been a good opportunity to bring on O'Dowda for the last 10/15 mins.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Citizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 12:12pm
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Can someone back up these stats as facts?  The source seems to be some lad on twitter. Very relaible.


Somebody going out of their way to build a case to discredit McClean.

I thought he was solid last night, he played well. Some of the crosses he put in that didn't find an Ireland play was poor no doubt.

He lacked that creativity that you want in the final third, would have been a good opportunity to bring on O'Dowda for the last 10/15 mins.

I’d agree re mcclean, he lost a few balls, but also won back possession on more than few occasions. Also provided v good cover for Stevens.

he dropped o’dowda from the match day squad.
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The play off semi final could be his last cap
 
Why so?
 
We might lose, and I can't see Kenny giving him many caps
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Originally posted by Citizen Citizen wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Can someone back up these stats as facts?  The source seems to be some lad on twitter. Very relaible.


Somebody going out of their way to build a case to discredit McClean.

I thought he was solid last night, he played well. Some of the crosses he put in that didn't find an Ireland play was poor no doubt.

He lacked that creativity that you want in the final third, would have been a good opportunity to bring on O'Dowda for the last 10/15 mins.

I’d agree re mcclean, he lost a few balls, but also won back possession on more than few occasions. Also provided v good cover for Stevens.

he dropped o’dowda from the match day squad.


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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Can someone back up these stats as facts?  The source seems to be some lad on twitter. Very relaible.

He touched the ball 62 times and had a 67% pass success rate apparently. I've just watched the last 20 minutes back and he forced multiple errors on Danish players in that time alone. He chased back and won a ball when Erikssen was breaking with a clear run on goal that he had no right to do. He's very limited but he had a reasonable game last night. 

It's embarassing seeing hacks pulling out single stats and trying to be clever on twitter. Brain dead stuff. 
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Can someone back up these stats as facts?  The source seems to be some lad on twitter. Very relaible.

He touched the ball 62 times and had a 67% pass success rate apparently. I've just watched the last 20 minutes back and he forced multiple errors on Danish players in that time alone. He chased back and won a ball when Erikssen was breaking with a clear run on goal that he had no right to do. He's very limited but he had a reasonable game last night. 

It's embarassing seeing hacks pulling out single stats and trying to be clever on twitter. Brain dead stuff. 

The issue is that all the good things he does is when we don't have possession of the football. 

We really need to move the ball around the pitch better, create better chances (7 goals ffs) 

Your stats show that he lost the ball 20 odd times! That's insane.
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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Can someone back up these stats as facts?  The source seems to be some lad on twitter. Very relaible.

He touched the ball 62 times and had a 67% pass success rate apparently. I've just watched the last 20 minutes back and he forced multiple errors on Danish players in that time alone. He chased back and won a ball when Erikssen was breaking with a clear run on goal that he had no right to do. He's very limited but he had a reasonable game last night. 

It's embarassing seeing hacks pulling out single stats and trying to be clever on twitter. Brain dead stuff. 

The issue is that all the good things he does is when we don't have possession of the football. 

We really need to move the ball around the pitch better, create better chances (7 goals ffs) 

Your stats show that he lost the ball 20 odd times! That's insane.

That's around the average for a winger. Not every cross is going to find its target. Purely basing analysis on stats like that is idiotic. It's for people who want to make themselves appear more knowledgeable than they are. 
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I suppose in layman’s terms was his game summed up by plenty of effort, some good tackling, little end product?
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Can someone back up these stats as facts?  The source seems to be some lad on twitter. Very relaible.

He touched the ball 62 times and had a 67% pass success rate apparently. I've just watched the last 20 minutes back and he forced multiple errors on Danish players in that time alone. He chased back and won a ball when Erikssen was breaking with a clear run on goal that he had no right to do. He's very limited but he had a reasonable game last night. 

It's embarassing seeing hacks pulling out single stats and trying to be clever on twitter. Brain dead stuff. 

The issue is that all the good things he does is when we don't have possession of the football. 

We really need to move the ball around the pitch better, create better chances (7 goals ffs) 

Your stats show that he lost the ball 20 odd times! That's insane.

That's around the average for a winger. Not every cross is going to find its target. Purely basing analysis on stats like that is idiotic. It's for people who want to make themselves appear more knowledgeable than they are. 

Your stats! 

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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Can someone back up these stats as facts?  The source seems to be some lad on twitter. Very relaible.

He touched the ball 62 times and had a 67% pass success rate apparently. I've just watched the last 20 minutes back and he forced multiple errors on Danish players in that time alone. He chased back and won a ball when Erikssen was breaking with a clear run on goal that he had no right to do. He's very limited but he had a reasonable game last night. 

It's embarassing seeing hacks pulling out single stats and trying to be clever on twitter. Brain dead stuff. 

The issue is that all the good things he does is when we don't have possession of the football. 

We really need to move the ball around the pitch better, create better chances (7 goals ffs) 

Your stats show that he lost the ball 20 odd times! That's insane.

That's around the average for a winger. Not every cross is going to find its target. Purely basing analysis on stats like that is idiotic. It's for people who want to make themselves appear more knowledgeable than they are. 

Your stats! 


That stat was posted in response to the ones used earlier in the thread. I also stated that you can't base analysis on single stats so I've no idea what point you're making here. At no stage did I imply that stat meant he played well or not. 


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Right let's throw some stats out....Eriksen lost the ball 10 times last night, 5 of those (which is half btw) were when he was tackled by who?????

You guessed it James McClean
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Exactly. And I'd be interested to know how many of those "possession lost" stats are actually ones where it ended up going out for a corner or a throw for us.

He is a limited footballer but his heart and effort are worth a huge amount. I'd rather have a winger that puts in five bad crosses and one good one but wins it back six times in a match than a winger who puts in a couple of marginally better crosses but is never bothered chasing back. The effort he puts in is an inspiration to the crowd and more importantly to the other players, along with being disheartening to the opposition. Now it may well be that that is better utilised from the bench than from the start but it certainly has an impact that isn't easily measured in a "possession lost" stat. Both are important.

And I actually thought some of his crosses last night were intelligent enough. More than once, he didn't just whip it in in the air, which the Danes were clearly expecting, but tried to pull it back and find a man along the ground. It didn't work but it wasn't aimless.

The one criticism was the roy of the rovers attempt from 30 yards when McGoldrick was in space on the left hand side. Other than that, we got exactly the performance expected from McClean last night.
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Nobody disputes his great workrate and willingness to get stuck in, as if those were the only relevant attributes in football he would be one of the world's best. But if you have a winger who can't cross and routinely gives the ball away then you will struggle to win football matches.

We need far more offensively out of him and he isn't capable. It's time to give someone else a shot in that role.
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Is McClean the new Whelan? Should we all start slating him now?
 
Brady had a chance to displace him when he played against NZ, and he was brutal. Better performance from McClean last night, than his previous 2 performances (of which I was critical). Wasn't perfect by any stretch, but some of the stats being thrown around are taken completely out of context i.e. gave the ball away 19 times, without saying how many times he didn't give the ball away, or what the outcome was of those 19 times (corner/throw/shot).
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