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He's absolute gash as well. Never seen him have a good game.
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Andrews role for Ipswich is at odds to his role for Ireland. McCarthy may be able to adapt his style and play a similar role for Ireland but its not going to happen before the Euros unless he makes himself available and gets the nod by Trappa in the upcoming friendlies.

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Originally posted by TheBeachBoysReunion TheBeachBoysReunion wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Whelan and particulary Andrews play a lot better for their clubs than they do for us. I do think they are following Traps orders when they stand off players and don't really come looking for the ball. That's all well in good when you are trying not to lose games but to get out of our group we need to win a game at least.
I have watched Andrews play for Blackburn and he does have the potential to get goals but most of the time he doesn't do anything, he just doesn't show any get up and go. It's the same problem with Fahey at Birmingham, except he is better at keeping the ball. Say what you want about players like Cattermole but at least he doesn't play like he's in a coma.
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Originally posted by Citizen Citizen wrote:

Originally posted by TheBeachBoysReunion TheBeachBoysReunion wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Whelan and particulary Andrews play a lot better for their clubs than they do for us. I do think they are following Traps orders when they stand off players and don't really come looking for the ball. That's all well in good when you are trying not to lose games but to get out of our group we need to win a game at least.
I have watched Andrews play for Blackburn and he does have the potential to get goals but most of the time he doesn't do anything, he just doesn't show any get up and go. It's the same problem with Fahey at Birmingham, except he is better at keeping the ball. Say what you want about players like Cattermole but at least he doesn't play like he's in a coma.
10 goals from midfield for Ipswich already this season

Our system won't allow for any of the centre midfield players to be be in advanced scoring positions often.

An option could be to play Andrews in a more advance midfield role against Spain instead of playing two strikers, McCarthy or Fahey could then do the "holding" role.
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Originally posted by fear-glas fear-glas wrote:

Originally posted by Citizen Citizen wrote:

Originally posted by TheBeachBoysReunion TheBeachBoysReunion wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Whelan and particulary Andrews play a lot better for their clubs than they do for us. I do think they are following Traps orders when they stand off players and don't really come looking for the ball. That's all well in good when you are trying not to lose games but to get out of our group we need to win a game at least.
I have watched Andrews play for Blackburn and he does have the potential to get goals but most of the time he doesn't do anything, he just doesn't show any get up and go. It's the same problem with Fahey at Birmingham, except he is better at keeping the ball. Say what you want about players like Cattermole but at least he doesn't play like he's in a coma.
10 goals from midfield for Ipswich already this season

Our system won't allow for any of the centre midfield players to be be in advanced scoring positions often.

An option could be to play Andrews in a more advance midfield role against Spain instead of playing two strikers, McCarthy or Fahey could then do the "holding" role.
it is an option but in reality the system is cast iron and doesn't change whether it be andorra, or spain.
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The last time McCarthy played he was ahead of the two centre mids and behind a lone striker so can't see Trap playing him in a holding position. He's certainly capable of playing a holding role though, or even in the centre with one other.
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I hate to be one of those people but Andrews has 9 goals for Ipswich and as good as he is doing there and as much as Blackburn made him a scapegoat, he was pretty sh*te at Blackburn. Granted, so is Pedersen but he can do no wrong.
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The last time McCarthy played he was ahead of the two centre mids and behind a lone striker so can't see Trap playing him in a holding position. He's certainly capable of playing a holding role though, or even in the centre with one other.
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The position Trap played him in isn't his position,he isn't a second striker.
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James was superb against Chelsea. So clever how he is able to adapt his game. Only just turned 21 and he is a Premier League regular. Gonna be a massive player for his country. 
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Originally posted by Tuff Paddy Tuff Paddy wrote:

James was superb against Chelsea. So clever how he is able to adapt his game. Only just turned 21 and he is a Premier League regular. Gonna be a massive player for his country. 


Hopefully. I think his time will come but not for at a year or two. A spate of injuries will be the only way he gets a chance as a holding midfielder. I feel he is too young and lacking aggressiveness right now but yhats not to say he will develop those skills. He needs to bulk up more for the physically of a holding midfielder.
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to young?what you talking about,he is 21,look at the germans in the last world cup lads even younger than that,what about spain,what age were robbie and duff in 2002?
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to young?what you talking about,he is 21,look at the germans in the last world cup lads even younger than that,what about spain,what age were robbie and duff in 2002?


True yes age really isnt an issue. I suppose what I meaj is he is very small and not physically strong enough to be a commanding presence in midfield. Hopfully he puts on more muscle and grts more stuck in than he does now. We need him to be constantly breaking up the oppositions play and then use it well. I think he is comfortable on the ball but not aggressive and committed enough. Hes also shy. I yhink his game will improve with age. He needs to develpp and come out of his shell.
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He is 5 foot 11 which is hardly small it is the same size as Whelan. I would take issue with the shy part aswell dont know if you saw the game on Saturday but he looked like the experienced player in the middle telling people where to play the ball.
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Originally posted by farfar farfar wrote:

He is 5 foot 11 which is hardly small it is the same size as Whelan. I would take issue with the shy part aswell dont know if you saw the game on Saturday but he looked like the experienced player in the middle telling people where to play the ball.



i stood beside him once and thought he was smaller than that.
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Saw him play for the U21s a few times, and he seemed to be the biggest lad in midfield
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Trap sent him a congrats message after Chelsea game
But said he needs to communicate better with his team mates???
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Haven't seen a whole load of the lad playing but was impressed with what I saw on Sat.
Very composed on the ball and retained posession. Didn't see one stray pass (granted he wasn't spraying the ball). Trap would have been impressed
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