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O'Neill has to go. He has behaved like a little brat this week and caused a player to fall out of favour of his club manager. On top of that he has caused him injury.
Lets get this dinosaur out of football in this country.
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Eamon Numpty wrote:
O'Neill has to go. He has behaved like a little brat this week and caused a player to fall out of favour of his club manager. On top of that he has caused him injury.
Lets get this dinosaur out of football in this country.
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Posted: 01 Apr 2017 at 10:48pm |
Eamon Numpty wrote:
O'Neill has to go. He has behaved like a little brat this week and caused a player to fall out of favour of his club manager. On top of that he has caused him injury.
Lets get this dinosaur out of football in this country.
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Any craic TJ? Say goodbye to Mr. Numpty.
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And he didn't start him btw. Your conjecture is irrelevant and I say again you wouldn't be as forthright if it was done to Davis or Evans.
O'Neill stated himself he couldn't risk McCarthy when he pulled up so how was he in the wrong? |
Despite Koeman's express reservations at the time of McCarthy's call-up, Martin obviously felt that JMcC was capable of playing AT LEAST 45 mins, otherwise he wouldn't have selected him in his original starting XI. That much is undeniable. And the fact that the player couldn't even complete the warm-up, never mind complete the game (or a good part of it) proves that Koeman's reservations were correct. I really cannot conceive of any other interpretation of what occurred, and for ROI fans to defend Martin even in the face of the facts smacks of "My country, right or wrong" - a stance which I've never espoused, and wouldn't, even if it involved eg Davis or Evans. Rather, I would be extremely disappointed had my international manager risked further the health and fitness of a valuable player whose injury record was already suspect.
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it sickens your hole that a man who captained your team and who you
previously had great time for is doing excellent for our team and
country so you'll just have to suck it up baby  |
Martin was a bit of a hero of mine ever since I saw him make his international debut nearly half a century ago. And I've followed his progress with great interest (and admiration) since he moved into management - I like the guy, in fact, even if I'm not blind to his occasional flaws. As for taking the ROI job, I hold the same "resentment" towards him as I would have had he eg taken the England gig i.e. none, since I recognise that he's a professional who must be expected to make the choices which are best for him, his family and his career. As for his subsequent record with ROI, I wouldn't exactly deem it "excellent", since I genuinely thought (feared actually) that he'd do rather better than he has. I guess I'd rate him "par for the course" (to borrow a golfing term), but I certainly wouldn't have wished on him eg the humilation which befell Stan. I suppose "honourable failure" was what I was hoping for. Meanwhile, my "hole" is far from "sickened", since given a choice between Martin and Michael to lead NI, I would actually have chosen the former. And I'd have been dead wrong on that score, since whatever you think of Martin's achievement with ROI, I genuinely cannot believe he'd have done half as good a job as Michael has done with the players available to him. So I'm actually extremely pleased with our lot under "The Real O'Neill", as I'm sure the overwhelming majority of my fellow NI fans are.
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On a lighter note Terry what do you think of James McCarthy's haircut? Should he keep the no nonsense look or go for the 'Premier League Look' with the snazzy parting that even Shay Given tried?
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Trap junior wrote:
On a lighter note Terry what do you think of James McCarthy's haircut? Should he keep the no nonsense look or go for the 'Premier League Look' with the snazzy parting that even Shay Given tried?
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Posted: 03 Apr 2017 at 11:04pm |
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On a lighter note Terry what do you think of James McCarthy's haircut?
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I greatly admire him for steering a sensible and consistent course between this:  and this:  His mammy can be justifiably proud. Alternatively, it could just be that being Scottish, he's too tight to go to a proper hairdresser....
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Territorial please grow up, you are obv an old man!
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Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 8:23pm |
Territorial wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
And he didn't start him btw. Your conjecture is irrelevant and I say again you wouldn't be as forthright if it was done to Davis or Evans.
O'Neill stated himself he couldn't risk McCarthy when he pulled up so how was he in the wrong? |
Despite Koeman's express reservations at the time of McCarthy's call-up, Martin obviously felt that JMcC was capable of playing AT LEAST 45 mins, otherwise he wouldn't have selected him in his original starting XI. That much is undeniable. Fcuk Koeman's reservations. He already burned his bridges and anything he says has to be viewed with suspicion. The two medical teams are in a better place to make a judgment.
And the fact that the player couldn't even complete the warm-up, never mind complete the game (or a good part of it) proves that Koeman's reservations were correct. Is it great being captain hindsight? If O'Neill still insisted on him playing in the match then you'd have a point but as soon as McCarthy said he was feeling it again (despite an improvement the previous day or so) O'Neill didn't take the chance.
I really cannot conceive of any other interpretation of what occurred, and for ROI fans to defend Martin even in the face of the facts smacks of "My country, right or wrong" - a stance which I've never espoused, and wouldn't, even if it involved eg Davis or Evans. Rather, I would be extremely disappointed had my international manager risked further the health and fitness of a valuable player whose injury record was already suspect. O'Neill didn't risk it further as he didn't play McCarthy.
irishmufc wrote:
Obviously
it sickens your hole that a man who captained your team and who you
previously had great time for is doing excellent for our team and
country so you'll just have to suck it up baby |
Martin was a bit of a hero of mine ever since I saw him make his international debut nearly half a century ago.
And I've followed his progress with great interest (and admiration) since he moved into management - I like the guy, in fact, even if I'm not blind to his occasional flaws. Would one of these flaws be him taking over charge of the dark side? 
As for taking the ROI job, I hold the same "resentment" towards him as I would have had he eg taken the England gig i.e. none, since I recognise that he's a professional who must be expected to make the choices which are best for him, his family and his career. I really don't believe that a childhood hero of yours took charge of the Republic and that hasn't been a tad bit off putting or annoying to some degree and your below by needlessly comparing him to Michael O'Neill is a bit passive-aggressive.
As for his subsequent record with ROI, I wouldn't exactly deem it "excellent", since I genuinely thought (feared actually) that he'd do rather better than he has. I guess I'd rate him "par for the course" (to borrow a golfing term), but I certainly wouldn't have wished on him eg the humilation which befell Stan. I suppose "honourable failure" was what I was hoping for. I think more tail in between the legs would've been more of what you were hoping for as it was the Republic he took over and I also think that would bother you more than if he managed England. Meanwhile, my "hole" is far from "sickened", since given a choice between Martin and Michael to lead NI, I would actually have chosen the former. And I'd have been dead wrong on that score, since whatever you think of Martin's achievement with ROI, I genuinely cannot believe he'd have done half as good a job as Michael has done with the players available to him. He wouldn't have done at least half a good job as Michael O'Neill?  What about his track record with teams with limited resources? What Michael O'Neill did was unprecedented but Martin would've made N.I. a tough nut to crack in that last qualifying campaign. He would've been at least half as successful as O'Neill was in that last group and N.I. probably would've had a great shot at the playoff spot at least.
So I'm actually extremely pleased with our lot under "The Real O'Neill", as I'm sure the overwhelming majority of my fellow NI fans are. Well obviously you would be. Real O'Neill? Really?
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Posted: 05 Apr 2017 at 1:33am |
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Fcuk Koeman's reservations. He already burned his bridges and anything he says has to be viewed with suspicion. The two medical teams are in a better place to make a judgment. |
"Everything he says has to be viewed with suspicion" - which proves my point ('My country right or wrong') exactly. Or is Koeman not capable of being right on occasion? I mean, he predicted that JMcC would not be fit to play for ROI and he was right. Obviously. Undeniably.
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it great being captain hindsight? |
Two points. First, your manager is being paid a nice wedge for his foresight. Second, only a fool denies the fact of hindsight.
irishmufc wrote:
If O'Neill still insisted on him
playing in the match then you'd have a point but as soon as McCarthy
said he was feeling it again (despite an improvement the previous day or
so) O'Neill didn't take the chance. |
"If O'Neill still insisted...". He couldn't have insisted. The player would have collapsed. And you didn't need foresight or hindsight to appreciate that, just eyesight!
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O'Neill didn't risk it further as he didn't play McCarthy. |
Of course he didn't risk it further, he had no fcuking choice, the player was obviously banjaxed!
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Would one of these flaws be him taking over charge of the dark side?  |
No. I was thinking more his touchiness, his propensity to get into rows which don't help him and his fondness for extravagant statements (eg declaring in 2006 that "Zlatan Ibrahomovic is the most overrated player on the planet"). Also his attachment to utilitarian football, when a more outgoing approach is sometines required. All that said however, there is no doubt that as a manager, his pluses outweigh his minuses.
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really don't believe that a childhood hero of yours took charge of the
Republic and that hasn't been a tad bit off putting or annoying to some
degree... |
"You really don't believe", eh? I'm afraid there's nothing I can do if you are not prepared to accept what I say at face value. But to turn it around, did you find eg his accepting the offer from Her Majesty the Queen to become a Member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire at Buckingham Palace "a tad off putting or annoying to some degree"? Or that he played 64 times for NI when he was qualified to play for ROI? I think not. So don't imagine that only people from one community in Ireland are capable of making rounded, objective judgements on such matters. (Bryan Hamilton is another of my favourites, irrespective of the fact that he worked for the FAI for a period. And I would gladly accept eg Brian Kerr as a Youth Coach for the IFA too, were the possibility to arise). P.S. I have been very impressed by the way Martin has avoided getting involved in any North/South controversies. I have also been impressed - though disappointed - by the way he has managed to forebear from slapping, then sacking, that arsehole Roy Keane at some stage.
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... and your below by needlessly comparing him to Michael O'Neill is a
bit passive-aggressive. |
You wanted to know whether I was annoyed by Martin taking the FAI job. To which my reply was that any annoyance I might have felt was dissipated by the fact that we got Michael. So rather than being "needless", it was in fact essential to explaining what I thought about Martin's career choice.
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I think more tail in between
the legs would've been more of what you were hoping for as it was the
Republic he took over and I also think that would bother you more than
if he managed England. |
You seem to think you know me better than I know myself. Anyhow, just as "honourable failure" would have been my prescription for ROI, so would it have been had he got the England job.
irishmufc wrote:
He wouldn't have done at least half a good job as Michael O'Neill?  What
about his track record with teams with limited resources? What Michael
O'Neill did was unprecedented but Martin would've made N.I. a tough nut
to crack in that last qualifying campaign. He would've been at least
half as successful as O'Neill was in that last group and N.I. probably
would've had a great shot at the playoff spot at least.
Well obviously you would be. Rea |
"Half", 40%, 60%, whatever.... My point is that much as I admire Martin, I genuinely don't believe that he would have done so outstanding a job as Michael has done. But I could be wrong and you could be right. Either way (and at the risk of appearing to "protest too much"), I really don't care.
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Real O'Neill? Really? |
Yep. In fact, every time he appears in public, I think he should be introduced by this guy, in a great crescendo of consonant-rolling and alliteration, as "Michael... THE REAL DEAL... O'Neill":  It has to start happening sooner or later....
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Territorial wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
Fcuk Koeman's reservations. He already burned his bridges and anything he says has to be viewed with suspicion. The two medical teams are in a better place to make a judgment. |
"Everything he says has to be viewed with suspicion" - which proves my point ('My country right or wrong') exactly. Or is Koeman not capable of being right on occasion? No, he like any other club manager has motive in not wanting their players to play. I would listen to Everton's medical staff and let them liase with the Irish football team's one as I doubt they'd allow pressure from their respective managers to overrule what's best for the player.
I mean, he predicted that JMcC would not be fit to play for ROI and he was right. Obviously. Undeniably.
irishmufc wrote:
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it great being captain hindsight? |
Two points. First, your manager is being paid a nice wedge for his foresight. Second, only a fool denies the fact of hindsight. I'm saying it's easy to be wise in hindsight and McCarthy's condition improved before he pulled up again.
irishmufc wrote:
If O'Neill still insisted on him
playing in the match then you'd have a point but as soon as McCarthy
said he was feeling it again (despite an improvement the previous day or
so) O'Neill didn't take the chance. |
"If O'Neill still insisted...". He couldn't have insisted. The player would have collapsed. And you didn't need foresight or hindsight to appreciate that, just eyesight! He didn't insist and he didn't take a chance by not playing McCarthy. Seeing how he does in training when there's a chance he'll play is not putting McCarthy at risk. Do you not think the Irish medical staff wouldn't have been monitoring McCarthy closely.
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O'Neill didn't risk it further as he didn't play McCarthy. |
Of course he didn't risk it further, he had no fcuking choice, the player was obviously banjaxed! You make it sound like McCarthy's leg fell off . Banjaxed should be reserved for what happened to Coleman, not a player that pulls up in training.
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Would one of these flaws be him taking over charge of the dark side? |
No. I was thinking more his touchiness, his propensity to get into rows which don't help him and his fondness for extravagant statements (eg declaring in 2006 that "Zlatan Ibrahomovic is the most overrated player on the planet"). Also his attachment to utilitarian football, when a more outgoing approach is sometines required. All that said however, there is no doubt that as a manager, his pluses outweigh his minuses. Fair enough. I did think round that time that Zlatan falttered to deceive against he English clubs in Europe actually.
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really don't believe that a childhood hero of yours took charge of the
Republic and that hasn't been a tad bit off putting or annoying to some
degree... |
"You really don't believe", eh? I'm afraid there's nothing I can do if you are not prepared to accept what I say at face value. I don't believe that it hasn't slightly tainted O'Neill in your eyes given your passive-aggressive hostility towards our team on here from day 1. But to turn it around, did you find eg his accepting the offer from Her Majesty the Queen to become a Member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire at Buckingham Palace "a tad off putting or annoying to some degree"? Or that he played 64 times for NI when he was qualified to play for ROI? Not bothered about MBE's/OBE's as most sports/celebrity figures from the North don't really seem to nail their colours (wisely) to any particular mast. Playing for N.I. would bother me more as he should've played for his country instead.
I think not. So don't imagine that only people from one community in Ireland are capable of making rounded, objective judgements on such matters. (Bryan Hamilton is another of my favourites, irrespective of the fact that he worked for the FAI for a period. And I would gladly accept eg Brian Kerr as a Youth Coach for the IFA too, were the possibility to arise). You only like Kerr because he gave McGovern his chance with the north . Joking aside Kerr is excellent and a pretty good pundit too who actually knows his stuff instead of resorting to cliches.
P.S. I have been very impressed by the way Martin has avoided getting involved in any North/South controversies. I have also been impressed - though disappointed - by the way he has managed to forebear from slapping, then sacking, that arsehole Roy Keane at some stage.
irishmufc wrote:
... and your below by needlessly comparing him to Michael O'Neill is a
bit passive-aggressive. |
You wanted to know whether I was annoyed by Martin taking the FAI job. To which my reply was that any annoyance I might have felt was dissipated by the fact that we got Michael. So rather than being "needless", it was in fact essential to explaining what I thought about Martin's career choice. Ah yes essential with the added bonus of sticking the knife in.
irishmufc wrote:
I think more tail in between
the legs would've been more of what you were hoping for as it was the
Republic he took over and I also think that would bother you more than
if he managed England. |
You seem to think you know me better than I know myself. Anyhow, just as "honourable failure" would have been my prescription for ROI, so would it have been had he got the England job. But there's no doubt you have more antipathy towards to the Republic (players row etc etc )
irishmufc wrote:
He wouldn't have done at least half a good job as Michael O'Neill? What
about his track record with teams with limited resources? What Michael
O'Neill did was unprecedented but Martin would've made N.I. a tough nut
to crack in that last qualifying campaign. He would've been at least
half as successful as O'Neill was in that last group and N.I. probably
would've had a great shot at the playoff spot at least.
Well obviously you would be. Rea |
"Half", 40%, 60%, whatever.... My point is that much as I admire Martin, I genuinely don't believe that he would have done so outstanding a job as Michael has done. No, what Michael did was unprecedented and it's 50/50 at best if Martin would've won that last qualifying group. I do think Martin would've done a pretty good job though and probably a better one than Michael in the 2014 WC Campaign.
But I could be wrong and you could be right. I agree with you on this one Either way (and at the risk of appearing to "protest too much"), I really don't care.
irishmufc wrote:
Real O'Neill? Really? |
Yep. In fact, every time he appears in public, I think he should be introduced by this guy, in a great crescendo of consonant-rolling and alliteration, as "Michael... THE REAL DEAL... O'Neill": It has to start happening sooner or later....
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not idea at all but I can't see him being "match fit"
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