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Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Has turned into a cracking player alright, still think he could/should have been capped by us round the end of the 2014 qualifiers or even brought up to MON's first squad.

Would probably have around circa 50 caps by now too.
It’s an awful shame there was a lot of talk around that time.
I wonder how close he came to be being named in our international squad.

He would be a cult hero for us at this stage he would have been so far ahead of any attacking options we had available to us for the last 2 campaigns fans would have loved him.

The biggest missed chance we had on player ever?

I’d argue that Rice is a bigger missed chance in that we had a ready made CDM playing for us and we lost him. We never had Grealish at senior level. Although both would make a serious difference if they were available to us now.
I’d respectfully disagree with you I think Jack is a bigger loss than Rice.
While Your correct in that Rice played senior Grealish was as as Irish as you could get of a lad born in England.
He played plenty of GAA as young lad played for us all the way up was named underage international player of the year he did everything but represent us at senior level.

Don’t get me wrong Rice is a fine player but we are doing a relatively good job of keeping goals out.
It is in attack we are crying out for quality he would have scored and created goals.
And he wins loads of free kicks and we are strong from set pieces.

Territorial mentions he cost Villa points against Spurs in the opening game of the season by giving the ball away deep in his own half, he did and did it again a few more times but he has since learned and it hasn’t happened again.


While we didn’t concede a huge number of goals, I can think of specific ones where Rice would have made a difference. In particular, Schar’s in Dublin. Rice is robust in those situations and is not easily beaten in the tackle. He also is exceedingly good with passes from defensive areas, most notably I saw him making a tackle and making a defence splitting past to Anderson whole on the ground.

If I conceded it would only be to say I think they would compliment each other. But to me, Rice has been the more consistent player and is a modern CDM which is imperative in football.  
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Grealish could have been our Bale
 
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Grealish could have been our Bale
 
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Ffs LOLLOLLOL 
 
Yes, he would have improved our midfield but comparing him to Gareth Bale is rather stretching it. LOL
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EIRE LEGEND.  He will always be my favourite player.
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Grealish is a much better player than Rice

Rice is a bit of a donkey



Well, they’re different players. Also, there is almost a four year age gap, and Rice has achieved considerably more at his age than Grealish had. Honestly, this has been the season Grealish has come of age.
Yes, Grealish is a special player and has always been a special talent, unlike Rice, who isn't

Rice at best will be a functional player, he has nothing special to recommend him

Grealish was the key player in driving his team to an FA Cup final in 2015, beating Liverpool at Wembley, which is a lot more than Rice has done at that age

Anybody who saw him play for Villa in the latter stages of the 2014/15 season knew he was a special talent 
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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Grealish is a much better player than Rice

Rice is a bit of a donkey



Well, they’re different players. Also, there is almost a four year age gap, and Rice has achieved considerably more at his age than Grealish had. Honestly, this has been the season Grealish has come of age.
Yes, Grealish is a special player and has always been a special talent, unlike Rice, who isn't

Rice at best will be a functional player, he has nothing special to recommend him

Grealish was the key player in driving his team to an FA Cup final in 2015, beating Liverpool at Wembley, which is a lot more than Rice has done at that age

Anybody who saw him play for Villa in the latter stages of the 2014/15 season knew he was a special talent 

Disagree. And beating a 14/15 Liverpool side was no special achievement, before being anonymous with the rest of his Villa teammates in the final. He looked functional at best during 2015/2016 and then spent three seasons in the Championship only looking truly outstanding in the third season. He was the subject of transfer talk, but that’s only talk.

Rice is a superb player, who is now being sucked down a bit by the team he is with.
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Rice is an inferior Glenn Whelan
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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Rice is an inferior Glenn Whelan

Perhaps a sensible response now that Salah penalty has probably relaxed you a bit?
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Rice is an inferior Glenn Whelan

Perhaps a sensible response now that Salah penalty has probably relaxed you a bit?
That's exactly what he is

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Hetfield I think you're allowing your own club loyalties cloud your judgement on Rice a bit tbh. 

From what I've been seen of Rice this season he's been poor enough though he's not the only one in a struggling team. 

I wouldn't bother comparing him with Grealish as they're two different players but one thing is for sure, they're both huge
losses to Ireland and would've arguably been guaranteed starters for the next five years anyway. 
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One of the best players in the league and a player I like a lot - Pep said about Grealish in his interview after the game tonight when talking about the final
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hummmmm....having watched villa a bit this season there’s not doubt he’s a talent,but villas whole team is set up around him and it’s like every villa player when they get the ball just want to give it to grealish no matter what position there in.the top teams don’t work like that so it be good to see how he fairs out if he did move on.big fish in a small pond and all that.....
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

One of the best players in the league and a player I like a lot - Pep said about Grealish in his interview after the game tonight when talking about the final

Pep also said Fred and Matic are incredible players last night.
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One of the best players in the league and a player I like a lot - Pep said about Grealish in his interview after the game tonight when talking about the final

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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

I'd rather see him join City than Adama Traore.
Unbelievable footballer, and still think he's better than Maddison (a little debate that was on the ROI section a few weeks ago)
He'll go to the Euros
 
Come on you are exaggerating.
 
He's pretty good but he won't stand out as much when he signs for a decent team, don't think he's good enough for a top team like Man City.
 
That's blinkered thinking because he turned his back on Ireland I think
 
No it's really not, he has had a good first half of Premier League football and now people are classing him as an unbelievable footballer, that is blinkered.
 
He would be at a similar level to Zaha.

He's a very different player to Zaha. I'd agree with Sid and the comparison to Gascoigne. Grealish can be massive player for England as he offers something very different to all their other attacking midfielders. 

Lads here who are questioning him, you mustn't be watching much of him over the past 12 months. He played a massive role in getting Villa up to the PL in the 2nd half of last season, and this season he has almost single handedly kept Villa in with a chance of staying up.

England will be making a massive mistake if he isn't starting for them on the summer. Would love to see him go to Liverpool in the summer and play under Klopp. Wouldn't surprise me to see City pay huge money for him though and push Foden back down the pecking order again even with Silvas retirement.

Imo, he should be a certainty in any PL team of the year selections also.





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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Grealish is a much better player than Rice

Rice is a bit of a donkey



Well, they’re different players. Also, there is almost a four year age gap, and Rice has achieved considerably more at his age than Grealish had. Honestly, this has been the season Grealish has come of age.
Yes, Grealish is a special player and has always been a special talent, unlike Rice, who isn't

Rice at best will be a functional player, he has nothing special to recommend him

Grealish was the key player in driving his team to an FA Cup final in 2015, beating Liverpool at Wembley, which is a lot more than Rice has done at that age

Anybody who saw him play for Villa in the latter stages of the 2014/15 season knew he was a special talent 

Disagree. And beating a 14/15 Liverpool side was no special achievement, before being anonymous with the rest of his Villa teammates in the final. He looked functional at best during 2015/2016 and then spent three seasons in the Championship only looking truly outstanding in the third season. He was the subject of transfer talk, but that’s only talk.

Rice is a superb player, who is now being sucked down a bit by the team he is with.
How can you say he is being sucked down by the team he is in.
He has a key part in that team is he not part of the reason West Ham are where they are.

Villa are only where they are because of Grealish was it not for him they would probably be bottom of the table.
He had been their main Man for most of the season especially with McGinn gone 
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Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Grealish is a much better player than Rice

Rice is a bit of a donkey



Well, they’re different players. Also, there is almost a four year age gap, and Rice has achieved considerably more at his age than Grealish had. Honestly, this has been the season Grealish has come of age.
Yes, Grealish is a special player and has always been a special talent, unlike Rice, who isn't

Rice at best will be a functional player, he has nothing special to recommend him

Grealish was the key player in driving his team to an FA Cup final in 2015, beating Liverpool at Wembley, which is a lot more than Rice has done at that age

Anybody who saw him play for Villa in the latter stages of the 2014/15 season knew he was a special talent 

Disagree. And beating a 14/15 Liverpool side was no special achievement, before being anonymous with the rest of his Villa teammates in the final. He looked functional at best during 2015/2016 and then spent three seasons in the Championship only looking truly outstanding in the third season. He was the subject of transfer talk, but that’s only talk.

Rice is a superb player, who is now being sucked down a bit by the team he is with.
How can you say he is being sucked down by the team he is in.
He has a key part in that team is he not part of the reason West Ham are where they are.

Villa are only where they are because of Grealish was it not for him they would probably be bottom of the table.
He had been their main Man for most of the season especially with McGinn gone 

Rice is the exact type of player whose limitations become glaringly obvious in knockout international games. He's an athlete with sod all creative ability and ball playing or ball controlling instincts. He's grand for running about a lot and closing down space within a protected framework but when he has to think, he's fecked. He's the prototype British type athlete turned footballer. He's Scott McTominay, Jack Rodwell, Micah Richards, Eric Dier. I said this last year but the very most he could hope to be is a Jordan Henderson type. I love Hendo but even he would admit to not being the most gifted footballer and it's the great coaching of Klopp and to a lesser extent Rodgers and being able to exist within a devastatingly effective framework which has turned him into the player he is. But at international level his weaknesses get cruelly exposed. 

Grealish is the exact type of player who would thrive in the sort of situation that England generally find themselves in at international level, ie. tight, tense knockout games which often go to extra time, and he's the exact sort of player they've lacked for years, a pure ball player with total confidence in his own ability to make a game revolve around him, the sort of ability that only the likes of Xavi and Modric have had in recent years. Rices are ten a penny.
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