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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by armahibee armahibee wrote:

Mad to hear him say we could have won something, I always thought I was delusional, we have fallen so far in recent years, hope we see a generation like that again in my lifetime Cry

As said previously, all we were missing was a striker.
I do think if we had qualified for 92 we could have got to a 1/2 final or final as that was probably our peak with experience.

But we can’t have any complaints - 2 Good world cups and some massive wins.



We had good strikers. John Aldridge was one of the best in Europe in the late 80s. It was a specific type of striker we didn't have, someone with blistering pace or even as quick as Lineker would have been ideal. 

 
Can't really remember myself but I always assumed Aldridge was pacy in his earlier days for Ireland given Jack played him out wide. No?
Long time ago but I never really remember us being stuck for pace, fair enough cas, quinn and also to a lesser extent aldo where cut from the same cloth but would some high end pace made any difference? Personally I think a world class attacking midfielder would have being more beneficial especially with Kelly, coyne and bryne towards Jack's latter years. All academic but as mentioned if duff and Keane where 10 years older 
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Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

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Whats your beef with what I wrote?  He started using 4-5-1 in competitive games for the first time at the World Cup and used it in Tilburg.  The Dutch used to us playing 4-4-2 against them were caught on the hop that night and were better prepared in Orlando. 

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So he didn't switch to 4-5-1 in the world cup?


Yes he used it in competitive matches for the first time.  Are you thick or something?
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4-5-1 came before the World cup, we played it against Holland in a friendly a few months previous


Yeah which caused us to show out hand for the WC

Would you have wanted us to go to the World Cup having not played the formation so it was a surprise to our opponents?


I didn't say that.  We got the Dutch again only a couple of months after we beat them with the new system and they knew how we were going to play.  We surprised them in Tilburg.

Regardless, they'd have examined how we were playing anyway and prepared accordingly. The win in Tilburg had nothing to do with the individual errors that cost us in Orlando.  


Maybe but they were better prepared having already played us using that system.  We never got a look in in Orlando.  Point being Jack started to doubt himself and change things when before he wouldn't.
He used to say ''We don't change our game.  We inflict our game on them. They have to change to play us.'' Now here was Jack changing to suit the opposition and to accommodate some new players.  He would never have done that in 1990.
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No McGrath but great pic - taken in 2018.




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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

No McGrath but great pic - taken in 2018.



Great photo loads not there not just McGrath, roy keane also and john Aldridge and Cascarino john sheridan Chris Morris Denir Irwin and Gary Kelly and Phil Babb and Ray Houghton
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4-5-1 came before the World cup, we played it against Holland in a friendly a few months previous


Yeah which caused us to show out hand for the WC

Would you have wanted us to go to the World Cup having not played the formation so it was a surprise to our opponents?


I didn't say that.  We got the Dutch again only a couple of months after we beat them with the new system and they knew how we were going to play.  We surprised them in Tilburg.

Regardless, they'd have examined how we were playing anyway and prepared accordingly. The win in Tilburg had nothing to do with the individual errors that cost us in Orlando.  


Maybe but they were better prepared having already played us using that system.  We never got a look in in Orlando.  Point being Jack started to doubt himself and change things when before he wouldn't.
He used to say ''We don't change our game.  We inflict our game on them. They have to change to play us.'' Now here was Jack changing to suit the opposition and to accommodate some new players.  He would never have done that in 1990.


Main reason was quinn was injured and he felt that we couldnt play Aldridge and Coyne up top together and Cascarino wasnt in the shape that Jack wanted.  
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Did anyone manage to get their hands on the Penneys Jack Charlton t shirt?   None in my local Penneys yesterday
was in Penney's today. Very little left of the tee shirts. There on the ground floor in the o'Connell street branch. Asked the staff are they getting more in, they weren't sure. She said there was however a great take up on the tee shirts.  Fair play. 
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Did anyone manage to get their hands on the Penneys Jack Charlton t shirt?   None in my local Penneys yesterday
was in Penney's today. Very little left of the tee shirts. There on the ground floor in the o'Connell street branch. Asked the staff are they getting more in, they weren't sure. She said there was however a great take up on the tee shirts.  Fair play. 
 
check the other one , they were still waiting for them on sat afternoon when O Connell street  had them
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I was in Penneys Galway on Friday and they didn't have them.  Went in Sat and they didn't have them.  Asked what looked like a 23 year old girl folding clothes in the men's section where the Jack Charlton tee shirts were.  She never heard of him.  I said its yer man in the shop window.  Hadn't a scoobie.

QMan said there was none in Drogheda either


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herself picked one up for me in Dundrum on Saturday. Said they had plenty at the time.
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

I was in Penneys Galway on Friday and they didn't have them.  Went in Sat and they didn't have them.  Asked what looked like a 23 year old girl folding clothes in the men's section where the Jack Charlton tee shirts were.  She never heard of him.  I said its yer man in the shop window.  Hadn't a scoobie.

QMan said there was none in Drogheda either

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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

I was in Penneys Galway on Friday and they didn't have them.  Went in Sat and they didn't have them.  Asked what looked like a 23 year old girl folding clothes in the men's section where the Jack Charlton tee shirts were.  She never heard of him.  I said its yer man in the shop window.  Hadn't a scoobie.

QMan said there was none in Drogheda either

None in Waterford either, said they weren't getting any. 
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Just out of Penny's on Patrick Street (Cork), they have plenty in small sizes though. Cry
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I picked some up in Dundrum on Saturday, they were just put out when I got in so timed it well!

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Originally posted by kevincronin2000 kevincronin2000 wrote:

Just out of Penny's on Patrick Street (Cork), they have plenty in small sizes though. Cry
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Picked up a Large and Extra Large t-shirts no bother in the Pennys on Mary St earlier

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Pat Charlton is so thankful for Irish support
and heartfelt tributes to Big Jack

Jack Charlton’s wife Pat has thanked the people of Ireland for the overwhelming messages of support, the countless bunches of flowers and the heartfelt sympathy that has arrived at her home in Northumbria on a daily basis since the former Irish manager’s death.

Pat and the Charlton family have been inundated with flowers, letters and cards since the 1966 World Cup winner - and driving force behind Ireland’s arrival on the world football stage - passed away at the age of 85 on July 10th.

As the FAI confirmed over 20,000 signatures on their virtual Book of Condolences for the Charlton family, Pat spoke to FAI.ie to offer her thanks to Jack’s Army.

“I am so grateful to everyone in Ireland who has taken time out to send us their condolences, it means so much to me and to the family to know that Jack meant so much to everyone in Ireland and I would like to share this message with the Irish people.

“Jack loved his time with the Irish team and it is clear from all the cards, letters and flowers that have arrived at our house just how much the people of Ireland loved him as well.

“I cannot tell you how much that means to me and to John, Deborah and Peter and all the family as we try to come to terms with Jack’s passing. Every day we have received more messages, more cards and more flowers from Ireland, from England and all across the world.

“It has given me great comfort to see all those letters arrive from Ireland and to see the reaction to his death right across the country. To know he was so loved in Ireland means such a lot to us all, it really does.”

Eldest son John, who shared so many great nights with his dad as part of the Irish team’s backroom team, has also thanked the Green Army for their support in this difficult time.

“We are still coming to terms with my dad’s passing but all the support we have received, here in England and from Ireland, has made such a difference for the family,” said John.

“I know thousands of people would have travelled from Ireland to say goodbye to my dad at the funeral but for COVID-19 and I know they marked the day right across Ireland which we are so grateful for.

“The organisers of the event in Ashington on the morning of the funeral have told us there were 15,000 people out on the streets to say their goodbyes. I can only imagine what the funeral would have been like if it wasn’t subject to those COVID restrictions.

“We saw the Irish tricolours in Ashington and I know from reading the letters and the cards we have received from Ireland, that many fans would have travelled over for the funeral if they could have.

“I want to thank them all on behalf of the family. Some of those who have written to us had met my dad over the years, others are just fans who wanted to say thank you and to sympathise with us all. It means so much to us.

“We will get over to Ireland when the time is right and with the help of the FAI, we will have an Irish send-off for my dad. We all look forward to that but in the meantime, we want to thank you all for everything over the last fortnight. Your support has been really special for us all.”

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Originally posted by theheff1989 theheff1989 wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

I was in Penneys Galway on Friday and they didn't have them.  Went in Sat and they didn't have them.  Asked what looked like a 23 year old girl folding clothes in the men's section where the Jack Charlton tee shirts were.  She never heard of him.  I said its yer man in the shop window.  Hadn't a scoobie.

QMan said there was none in Drogheda either

None in Waterford either, said they weren't getting any. 


Managed to get one today.  Only one of the two Penney's stores here is stocking them by the looks of it.
I might be wrong but it appears only the big cities and in them only the main shop is getting stocked. Ridiculous.  
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