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savo01
Liam Brady Joined: 14 Feb 2013 Location: South Armagh Status: Offline Points: 1902 |
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Fell out with Owen Coyle, so has he a temperament issue then? Wigan, manager gets sacked shocker, does this not happen in football all the time? Oldham were actually a basket case of a club were he did ok. As for APOEL, maybe they're in a bit of a mess, but the current squad has players from the likes of Argentina, Congo and Brazil. Why are all these players not leaving the club if it is such a basket case? Byrne has had contracts cancelled at 4 clubs now, yet it is always the clubs fault it seems!
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The answer to this question is that Wes was a regular in the English Championship at the age Jack Byrne is now.
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kevin100
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Looking at Byrne's trajectory he had a decent loan at Cambuur at 19/20. He then moved to Blackburn Rovers back to England. He really probably should have looked to stay in Holland.
If his stint in Holland could attract a move to Blackburn it probably could have got him a loan to a decent top half Eredivisie club at the very least. Hindsight a wonderful thing. Brady and Hourihane are two other examples so many of our players refuse to look outside of England when they would be far better suited to other continental Leagues. Very frustrating you look at most other countries you will see players plying thier trade in 10 different countries.
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Los Aros
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 29 Apr 2015 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 466 |
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As long as hes playing somewhere i guarantee kenny calls him up again
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Ecumenical Matter
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He has a lot of skill but that’s not enough and the lower leagues and non league in England are littered with once promising players who never achieved their potential. At 25 he must be at a turning point. It’s mainly up to him but a bit of luck would be good. I wish him all the best.
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savo01
Liam Brady Joined: 14 Feb 2013 Location: South Armagh Status: Offline Points: 1902 |
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I wish him all the best too, genuinely, but he's miles from being in the squad at this stage, never mind the team.
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You could say the same about Ogbene if you were to purely go off his club career. Not many managers would have had him in their squad let alone starting. If Byrne gets back to level he was at before he left Rovers then Kenny will select him if he feels he can do a job for the team.
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I know he is rated highly by some people on here, he's another one of these characters that truly divides opinion but I dont think he has enough to be a starter for the international team. At the very best, a squad player, but I dont think he'll make it back in.
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Loads ahead of him now. Big ask.
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savo01
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Ogbene has been in England since 2017, playing over 70 games at this stage. He's had no problems at his clubs either, so I don't see the comparison at all!
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Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Status: Offline Points: 6773 |
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Also Ogbene fits a specific role in the current system, I'm not sure what role Byrne could have - he's not enough of a worker off the ball to compete for the Knight/McGrath role, he's not enough of a forward player to compete with Ogbene, Robinson and Parrott. He's not suited to a deeper role in midfield either.
He would need to reinvent his game at this stage to fit in I think.
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Bandwagon
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You dont see the comparison that a player that has had a very average career mostly in LOI, League One & Two has the attributes and ability to step it up and several levels and give one of the top International teams a handful for 90 minutes? ..and that a manger like Kenny can recognize that and have the confidence to select him on that basis? Byrne has shown the same glimpses in the cameo appearances hes had for Ireland and regularly in European competition for Shamrock Rovers that hes more than capable of doing the same. Id actually argue on paper Byrne has had a better club career than him Ogbene Byrne Championship 11(0) 6(0) League One 40(1) 40(5) League Two 13(0) N/A LOI 41(11) 49(17) Eredivise N/A 27 (4) SPL N/A 5(0) Cyprus N/A 5(0) Total: 111(12) 132(26) Byrne has also played at higher level in Holland and in European games. Edited by Bandwagon - 15 Nov 2021 at 4:47pm |
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Banjaxed
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There's definitely loads ahead of him but he doesn't have many if any competition for the type of player he is. I do agree that he will have to up his work rate off the Ball to get into this specific Kenny team, otherwise he would just be forever an impact sub brought on in specific scenarios. Having said all that, Kenny has been so willing to change formation, style and players over the last 12-months that I wouldn't say anything is set in stone if a player can come along and shift his thinking, even in certain games. Also, Jack isn't naïve to what's needed of him. He doesn't need a football forum to advise him, I'm sure he's getting it from the horses mouth and has had plenty of conversations with Kenny about what's required of him, not only to potentially make the starting 11, but get back into the squad. |
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Bandwagon
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He fits the Knight role perfectly a #10 out of possession and wide of the front 3 in possession like Knight last night. Look back to his debut against Bulgaria 2 years ago and he had the very same impact as Knight off the bench in a similar role. Changed the game and grabbed 2 assists. By no means and I suggesting he goes straight into the starting XI and have the same impact as a player of Knights ability but has the same ability to change games when needed. Particularly against similar or lesser ranked teams like Azerbaijan or Luxembourg.
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Heimatklange
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once byrne gets back fit and playing again he'll be back into this team without a question of a doubt. he is the most natural and culturally gifted midfielder and this team is crying out for him. imagine having him in the midfield of the park pulling the strings and pinging through balls for Ogbene, Parrott, Idah.
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BrendanD88
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Is this a joke? Why has he gone back to Shamrock Rovers if he’s so good? Knight is a far better player.
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Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Status: Offline Points: 6773 |
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He'd have to significantly up his workrate and contribution off the ball to be a realistic consideration for that role I think. He's a good 10 on the ball, I'm not sure he's a good 10 off the ball - which is the specific role Knight was given last night.
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savo01
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Agreed. The blind stupidity is astonishing!
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