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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Wes_Wanderers Wes_Wanderers wrote:

Originally posted by GaretFarellysNutSack GaretFarellysNutSack wrote:

No brainer for me, a limited player who's not going to get a prem team or probably even a decent championship team so he's offered a life on the med island of Cyprus. It's a lovely place with great weather. I'd be all over it if I were him, rather than play in the poxy midlands of England somewhere. 
He doesn't exist merely to serve Ireland fans. 

Always thought this was a ridiculous description, every player is "limited" by definition. What you really want to say is that you think he is cr*p, but given that he has regularly shown that he is quite good you do not think you will get away with that

To be fair he has shown himself to be quite good only at a certain level ( LoI and the lower reaches of the Dutch league). He was not  good enough when he played in Scotland and the English lower leagues.

To be of any real relevance to the Irish national team he needs to show that he can be successful at a higher level. He has yet to do this in his career but he has plenty of time yet.

Of course, as someone already pointed out, his career doesn't exist purely for our benefit. If he can't get in the team out in Cyprus but chooses to sit tight and take the money and the lifestyle who are we to criticize him?

He never really got going in England and Scotland. Yes a failure on paper but there can be other factors and doesn't mean your cannot succeed the next time. 
Look at Salah and De Bruyne. Two castaways at big clubs in their youth and now would get into any team in the world. 
Not comparing their talent levels with Byrne but the situation of just because it didn't work out before doesn't mean you were never good enough. Jack has also discussed he had personal issues at the time. 
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There wasnt a prayer in hell of Jack going to Cyprus if not for Mick being there already, from that standpoint alone it's a massive blow to him.

Byrne has also spoken about homesickness in the past and now he is marooned in Cyprus of all places.

He isn't going to be participating in European competition, and is off in a league that anybody from this island couldn't give a jot about. A league which is barely better than the LOI when you look at the matchups between LOI and Cypriot clubs in Europe over the past few years.

If Jack was to leave Ireland it should have been for a big step up in quality, not a sideways move to the middle of nowhere.

It is a massive blow to him, and anybody trying to paint this as a positive is utterly, utterly deluded.
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Your comparison between the Cypriot league and the LOI is not based in facts, as shown by the gulf between them based on the UEFA rankings:
https://www.football-coefficient.eu/coefficient/#table-country-coefficients

But your other statements can be argued for sure.
It's clear Mick brought Jack there - managers often like to sign what they know.
It's up to Jack now to prove what he is capable of, and I just hope he is given the opportunity.

As for a league nobody gives a jot about, I'd say that applies to every league bar the elite ones, so it's  a bit disingenuous.
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Read somewhere that Mick himself faced a similar situation when he signed for Celtic. The manager who signed him was Davie Hay, who was almost immediately sacked, but Mick nonetheless went on to have a successful time at Parkhead.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Wes_Wanderers Wes_Wanderers wrote:

Originally posted by GaretFarellysNutSack GaretFarellysNutSack wrote:

No brainer for me, a limited player who's not going to get a prem team or probably even a decent championship team so he's offered a life on the med island of Cyprus. It's a lovely place with great weather. I'd be all over it if I were him, rather than play in the poxy midlands of England somewhere. 
He doesn't exist merely to serve Ireland fans. 

Always thought this was a ridiculous description, every player is "limited" by definition. What you really want to say is that you think he is cr*p, but given that he has regularly shown that he is quite good you do not think you will get away with that

To be fair he has shown himself to be quite good only at a certain level ( LoI and the lower reaches of the Dutch league). He was not  good enough when he played in Scotland and the English lower leagues.

To be of any real relevance to the Irish national team he needs to show that he can be successful at a higher level. He has yet to do this in his career but he has plenty of time yet.

Of course, as someone already pointed out, his career doesn't exist purely for our benefit. If he can't get in the team out in Cyprus but chooses to sit tight and take the money and the lifestyle who are we to criticize him?

He showed his ability in the Ducth league against the top teams . What does lower reaches of Ducth league even mean .
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Well the team he was playing for in the Eredivisie came stone last that season, so I think it's clear enough what it means.
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[QUOTE=You Tell Me]Well the team he was playing for in the Eredivisie came stone last that season, so I think it's clear enough what it means.[/QUOTE

He played in the Dutch league, he played the very same teams as the everyone else, there is no lower reaches or upper.
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Originally posted by JoxerDaly JoxerDaly wrote:

[QUOTE=You Tell Me]Well the team he was playing for in the Eredivisie came stone last that season, so I think it's clear enough what it means.[/QUOTE

He played in the Dutch league, he played the very same teams as the everyone else, there is no lower reaches or upper.

Yes, there is. That's the exact purpose of a league.
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Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by ShamtheRam ShamtheRam wrote:

If anything McCarthy getting the chop is a good thing for Jack surely? 

A rigid McCarthy system is probably the worst thing for him and now JB potentially has a new guy coming in who will offer a better more expansive game that will only compliment his ability.
Or will look up his record and say "no thanks". 

Chairman to new manager: here are the files you requested on the players.
New Manager: Excellent I read this file on Byrne and I will discard of Byrne
Chairman: the player is here in front of you, you can watch him train?
New Manager: No need I have read the files and the ybig forum. Sell him today
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Well he's stuck there now for better or worse. As I understand it he can only play for two clubs during a football calendar year (July to  June) so his five minute cameo for APOEL means he can't play for a further club until next season. 

Back in the LOI come July. 

He went all the way out to the back of beyond for one reason, for "the best Irish manager since Jack". Now the reason has gone, he'll be back home facing Pats and Shels in no time, instead of Portugal and Serbia.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Well he's stuck there now for better or worse. As I understand it he can only play for two clubs during a football calendar year (July to  June) so his five minute cameo for APOEL means he can't play for a further club until next season. 

Back in the LOI come July. 

He went all the way out to the back of beyond for one reason, for "the best Irish manager since Jack". Now the reason has gone, he'll be back home facing Pats and Shels in no time, instead of Portugal and Serbia.

That's not true though. 
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Well he's stuck there now for better or worse. As I understand it he can only play for two clubs during a football calendar year (July to  June) so his five minute cameo for APOEL means he can't play for a further club until next season. 

Back in the LOI come July. 

He went all the way out to the back of beyond for one reason, for "the best Irish manager since Jack". Now the reason has gone, he'll be back home facing Pats and Shels in no time, instead of Portugal and Serbia.
who is Byrne’s agent - any connection with Micks? I’d assume not and I’d say Byrne would have had an idea Micks job was in trouble before signing.

I’d also say the new manager was lined up around the time club signed Byrne. Any doubts about him and the club would have slowed down on brining Byrne in or pulled out completely. 
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probably see him at Dudnalk in July knowing the way the LOI functions
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Well he's stuck there now for better or worse. As I understand it he can only play for two clubs during a football calendar year (July to  June) so his five minute cameo for APOEL means he can't play for a further club until next season. 

Back in the LOI come July. 

He went all the way out to the back of beyond for one reason, for "the best Irish manager since Jack". Now the reason has gone, he'll be back home facing Pats and Shels in no time, instead of Portugal and Serbia.

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Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

There wasnt a prayer in hell of Jack going to Cyprus if not for Mick being there already, from that standpoint alone it's a massive blow to him.

Byrne has also spoken about homesickness in the past and now he is marooned in Cyprus of all places.

He isn't going to be participating in European competition, and is off in a league that anybody from this island couldn't give a jot about. A league which is barely better than the LOI when you look at the matchups between LOI and Cypriot clubs in Europe over the past few years.

If Jack was to leave Ireland it should have been for a big step up in quality, not a sideways move to the middle of nowhere.

It is a massive blow to him, and anybody trying to paint this as a positive is utterly, utterly deluded.

Is there many LOI clubs who have signed a player for 2m and sold him on to a Bundesliga club (thats a big league right?) for 4.5m?
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Originally posted by exgrad exgrad wrote:

Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

There wasnt a prayer in hell of Jack going to Cyprus if not for Mick being there already, from that standpoint alone it's a massive blow to him.

Byrne has also spoken about homesickness in the past and now he is marooned in Cyprus of all places.

He isn't going to be participating in European competition, and is off in a league that anybody from this island couldn't give a jot about. A league which is barely better than the LOI when you look at the matchups between LOI and Cypriot clubs in Europe over the past few years.

If Jack was to leave Ireland it should have been for a big step up in quality, not a sideways move to the middle of nowhere.

It is a massive blow to him, and anybody trying to paint this as a positive is utterly, utterly deluded.

Is there many LOI clubs who have signed a player for 2m and sold him on to a Bundesliga club (thats a big league right?) for 4.5m?


I see rumoured and reported. I cannot see why his value would have been 2 million when Apoel signed him. Or why would it be 4.5 million when he left? Doesn't add up.
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Originally posted by Dalymount79 Dalymount79 wrote:

who is Byrne’s agent - any connection with Micks? I’d assume not and I’d say Byrne would have had an idea Micks job was in trouble before signing.

I’d also say the new manager was lined up around the time club signed Byrne. Any doubts about him and the club would have slowed down on brining Byrne in or pulled out completely. 

He had no more idea than the rest of us. In our football culture, you don't sack a manager after 9 games, unless you're a banana run club. While players from here don't choose to go anywhere but the UK to play, at the drop of a hat. We know why he went. It wasn't the culture, or the climate, or the football. It was an old contact, no other reason. Now he's gone, the clock to Byrne's departure is already ticking. 
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