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    Posted: 07 Jan 2015 at 12:09pm
Another crowd of looney islamists justifying mass murder in the name of Allah because of a few f**king cartoons. How long before we see an attack in Ireland?
I could agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.
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Terrible alright RIP.

To answer your question, I don't think we will see any attack here similar to what has taken place in Madrid, London, New York, Paris etc Not that there might not be an isolated single incident but nothing on the scale of the aforementioned.
Of course the extremism of Al Nusra/ISIS/ISIL and other groups is hard for us from our perspective to comprehend, but as much as we want to pigeon hole ALL of them as madmen (and alot of them are LOL) without ANY political objective, then we fail to understand that there is a context and as much as it seems simply blind terror there is also a "reasoning" (from their twisted "logic") to their actions. That doesn't mean we lend even a shred of credibility to their views or actions but I think it does require us to be a bit less Sky News about it. 
I wonder how many people here actually talk to Muslims of any sect beyond street talk? It's like people who have a blanket prejudice towards ALL Travellers but don't know a single one.

I have several friends from both Palestine and Lebanon. All but one are Sunni and each of them, whilst having what might seem to most people here fairly strident views about whats happening in the Middle East, are at the same time always at pains to point out how they don't see any reason why Ireland should perceive itself as any sort of either threat or target for extremist groups.
The one thing we certainly do not wanting to be doing is participating in any way on interventionist military missions in these countries, nor facilitate rendition flights to Guantanamo etc. 
Instead we should take a non-aligned Independent stance in the World and speak out against human right abuses from wherever they come and continue to participate in UN sanctioned peace-keeping operations. Let the French, Brits and the rest flex their muscles if they like, thats not our way.
Being a non-colonising, non-interfering state has it's rewards at times such as these. 

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No words to describe scum like that. Can't believe they escaped as well! Isn't collecting their 99 virgins or whatever not normally part of the plan??
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Are we definite that it was Islamacists?
 
This weeks edition was an interview with all round p1ssbucket Michel Houellebecq who is releasing another anti-Islamic book. Freedom of speech versus deliberate provoation. Its a knife edge.
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Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Are we definite that it was Islamacists?
 
This weeks edition was an interview with all round p1ssbucket Michel Houellebecq who is releasing another anti-Islamic book. Freedom of speech versus deliberate provoation. Its a knife edge.

Now that ya say that, maybe this should be in the blame Gerry Adams section?Shocked
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On balance of probability, that magazine and today is odds on Islamacist. But lets wait until its confirmed before we get the brush out like the reddlad
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Read the reports, no brush required!
I could agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.
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Don't think there would be much doubt as to what type of groups would possibly be responsible given that the office was attacked before in 2011 (?) I think it was over the mocking cartoons.
Of course there is a tiny chance it could be a disgruntled employee (s) but I doubt it. This is one case that won't require Hercules Poirot.
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How many islamic-related incidents is that in France lately? 4 in the past month iirc.

And the French want to elect Marine LePen in two years???

Ireland is a target, and a very soft one at that. While the brits and other nations take pro-active measures to prevent such incidents occurring, we assume things will be grand. And to any militant, that makes us look as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.

Do we even have something as basics as a national security alert level in operation?
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

How many islamic-related incidents is that in France lately? 4 in the past month iirc.

And the French want to elect Marine LePen in two years???

Ireland is a target, and a very soft one at that. While the brits and other nations take pro-active measures to prevent such incidents occurring, we assume things will be grand. And to any militant, that makes us look as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.

Do we even have something as basics as a national security alert level in operation?

Please explain why, what and who would be a target in Ireland, otherwise that is baseless sensationalist speculation.

Sure you can always take a short flight out of here Planeing. Oh no , wait...
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It seems like these guys are highly trained and not just random nut jobs. This is an attack on freedom of speech and expression.
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Planning, what reason would they have for having a go at us??? I am sure if we do have any cells of these mad coonts they are being watched as there ain't a huge number of them over here compared to the likes of Britain and France.
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As said on Twitter, every single paper in Europe should reprint that cartoon. 
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Originally posted by FREEWHEELER FREEWHEELER wrote:

As said on Twitter, every single paper in Europe should reprint that cartoon. 

Did u copy Danny Bakers tweet?

If this disgusting Paris attack is over a cartoon then every newspaper in the world should put the f**king thing on its front page tomorrow.

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Originally posted by FREEWHEELER FREEWHEELER wrote:

As said on Twitter, every single paper in Europe should reprint that cartoon. 

Completely agree.  A front page reprint of the cartoon alongside every news story that reports on the attack would be a strong message that these kind of attacks will not achieve their aim of limiting freedom of expression.  

You don't have to like or agree with the cartoon - its about the right to publish it. 


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just seen the footage of the policeman being shot, sickening viewing.
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This is akin to some catholics running into the studios of Father Ted back in the day and gunning down the actors and writers.

I do not understand what they are trying to achieve.
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

How many islamic-related incidents is that in France lately? 4 in the past month iirc.

And the French want to elect Marine LePen in two years???

Ireland is a target, and a very soft one at that. While the brits and other nations take pro-active measures to prevent such incidents occurring, we assume things will be grand. And to any militant, that makes us look as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.

Do we even have something as basics as a national security alert level in operation?
Nah, we went through 35 years of war in the 6 counties without one.
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