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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

The amount of effort that the big 2 parties are putting into making it a story is really showing that they're beginning to fear SF. 

Non-story for me too

Don't get you on this one, didn't they both admit to it too? Not sure this adds up. 
Yeah sure the bigger story this morning is FG promising the pollsters €50 for the day & not paying them LOL
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Simply put people won't share the same information with canvassers as they will pollsters. The difference here is leveraging people's faith by posing as pollsters rather than being open about the reasons for it. The fact that there is camouflaging going on suggests the parties understood this.

In reality, its not about any one party (although the Abu debacle also is relevant in the wider discussion about parties collecting/utilising data), as they all wanted to bury their own transgressions.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Simply put people won't share the same information with canvassers as they will pollsters. The difference here is leveraging people's faith by posing as pollsters rather than being open about the reasons for it. The fact that there is camouflaging going on suggests the parties understood this.

In reality, its not about any one party (although the Abu debacle also is relevant in the wider discussion about parties collecting/utilising data), as they all wanted to bury their own transgressions.

100% agree, but as long as the responses are anonymous I just don't see what the big deal is. 
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

The amount of effort that the big 2 parties are putting into making it a story is really showing that they're beginning to fear SF. 

Non-story for me too

It further highlights the lack of cohesion within those parties when you've differing reactions coming from members of the same party. It should be a non-story but they've made a meal out of it as the attempted point-scoring has backfired.
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Originally posted by the_walls the_walls wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Simply put people won't share the same information with canvassers as they will pollsters. The difference here is leveraging people's faith by posing as pollsters rather than being open about the reasons for it. The fact that there is camouflaging going on suggests the parties understood this.

In reality, its not about any one party (although the Abu debacle also is relevant in the wider discussion about parties collecting/utilising data), as they all wanted to bury their own transgressions.

100% agree, but as long as the responses are anonymous I just don't see what the big deal is. 

But they aren't anonymous. They're cataloguing this stuff. Fake IDs to trick people into giving info? I think it's f**king scandalous lads to be honest 
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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

I think it's f**king scandalous lads to be honest 

The sad thing is, this will end up being buried simply because its an old Irish political culture raising its head again. Most parties being at it offsets each others moral culpability, and attempt to dissect it will be met with finger wagging whataboutery. As I said, parties would be upfront about their affiliations, and poll with transparency if they knew it would obtain the information. They are aware that it won't, so have resorted to incredibly duplicitous means to get the information.

Data, including political opinions is a different beast to what it was years ago. Moth eaten copy books resting in USA Assortment tins in homes, containing ticks and crosses as to what side of the FF/FG divide a house on a street was is very different to modern digitised systems, not least because at a broad level this data can produce clear political viewpoints, can be bought and sold, and can be used nefariously. The least, anybody can do, when obtaining such data is to be totally upfront about who they represent, and what the information will be used for.

At the highest level, you only need to look at the Cambridge Analytica tale to see what can happen. Quite frankly, I am amazed that a country with such an engaged population, that have been attuned to spotting scandal over the past two decades  cant see how serious this one is.
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Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

The amount of effort that the big 2 parties are putting into making it a story is really showing that they're beginning to fear SF. 

Non-story for me too

Don't get you on this one, didn't they both admit to it too? Not sure this adds up. 
Yeah sure the bigger story this morning is FG promising the pollsters €50 for the day & not paying them LOL
Initially TDs from FF in particular came out blasting SF then FF admitted they did the same and said TDs disappeared. 
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Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

Initially TDs from FF in particular came out blasting SF then FF admitted they did the same and said TDs disappeared. 

The willing idiots. And this is a major problem, and it goes back to my view that a scandal is often only a scandal (within the four walls of the partisan political realm) if it hurts my opponent. Otherwise its open season. Here it is an issue that almost all parties have at least some culpability of, and they are all walking away and putting up their hands to minimise the damage caused.
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