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Good point Jonny.
 
I'd rather the team worked on tactics than practising penos though
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Originally posted by magnumpi magnumpi wrote:

Walters penalty against Newcastle was poor.  If Krul had stayed on his feet (as should all keepers) he would have saved it.
 
Still, I reckon he's the kind of guy who would keep his nerve.
if krul had of stayed on his feet he would have been picking his teeth up of the ground, he is probably glad he didn't save it.....great peno!
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Originally posted by GreenDodger93 GreenDodger93 wrote:

Originally posted by magnumpi magnumpi wrote:

Walters penalty against Newcastle was poor.  If Krul had stayed on his feet (as should all keepers) he would have saved it.
 
Still, I reckon he's the kind of guy who would keep his nerve.
if krul had of stayed on his feet he would have been picking his teeth up of the ground, he is probably glad he didn't save it.....great peno!
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Am I the only one that thinks Shay would take a decent peno?
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Ive been saying it for years but ill say it again. Why aren't penos taken at the end of friendly draws? Great practice opportunity.
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Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

Ive been saying it for years but ill say it again. Why aren't penos taken at the end of friendly draws? Great practice opportunity.

Taking a peno in a friendly game would be very different than a pressure penalty though and you can have the best peno taker in the world who just cant take the pressure so I'm not sure, although in saying that there would be no harm for a bit of excitement. Its the same with practising penos in training, not gonna make a huge amount of difference when the surroundings and atmopshere is so different when it comes down to the kick.
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Originally posted by Max Power Max Power wrote:

Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

Ive been saying it for years but ill say it again. Why aren't penos taken at the end of friendly draws? Great practice opportunity.

Taking a peno in a friendly game would be very different than a pressure penalty though and you can have the best peno taker in the world who just cant take the pressure so I'm not sure, although in saying that there would be no harm for a bit of excitement. Its the same with practising penos in training, not gonna make a huge amount of difference when the surroundings and atmopshere is so different when it comes down to the kick.
 
Max you are never going to recreate the pressures in a proper meaningful shoot out but at least there would be incentive to make sure you score.
 
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Sure gOlfers might as well not practice either as u can't recreate pressure of a mastery or snooker players or tennis player. Sure why bother bloody training so.

Total tosh and I think any manager who does not get his players to practice should be sacked. Talk about old school rubbish. Germans practice penos like mad and look at their record. But ahh sure it's a lottery.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:


Total tosh and I think any manager who does not get his players to practice should be sacked. Talk about old school rubbish. Germans practice penos like mad and look at their record. But ahh sure it's a lottery.
 
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As in people saying there is no point in practising penalities. A lot of the old school managers don't believe in practising. You here it on tv all the time from Ron manager types. Big Mick was a fan if this c rap
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Sure gOlfers might as well not practice either as u can't recreate pressure of a mastery or snooker players or tennis player. Sure why bother bloody training so.

Total tosh and I think any manager who does not get his players to practice should be sacked. Talk about old school rubbish. Germans practice penos like mad and look at their record. But ahh sure it's a lottery.


I think there's a small bit more amount of skill in the type of golf shots and snooker shots you would find a pro practising. If you are a professional footballer you know whether you can take a penalty well or not and whether you'd have the confidence to step up and do it. It is very very easy to take a penalty, any pro can do it. It's whether they can do it under pressure or not. And I suppose you could say the same for some pro's in other sports. They can practise the easy shots all the like but when it comes down to it they haven't the bottle and may never win a major tournament because of it. That's why in football your lucky you have 10 others around u hopefully with 5 others who just may be better off standing up to the plate.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Sure gOlfers might as well not practice either as u can't recreate pressure of a mastery or snooker players or tennis player. Sure why bother bloody training so.

Total tosh and I think any manager who does not get his players to practice should be sacked. Talk about old school rubbish. Germans practice penos like mad and look at their record. But ahh sure it's a lottery.
 
 
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Originally posted by Max Power Max Power wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Sure gOlfers might as well not practice either as u can't recreate pressure of a mastery or snooker players or tennis player. Sure why bother bloody training so.

Total tosh and I think any manager who does not get his players to practice should be sacked. Talk about old school rubbish. Germans practice penos like mad and look at their record. But ahh sure it's a lottery.


I think there's a small bit more amount of skill in the type of golf shots and snooker shots you would find a pro practising. If you are a professional footballer you know whether you can take a penalty well or not and whether you'd have the confidence to step up and do it. It is very very easy to take a penalty, any pro can do it. It's whether they can do it under pressure or not. And I suppose you could say the same for some pro's in other sports. They can practise the easy shots all the like but when it comes down to it they haven't the bottle and may never win a major tournament because of it. That's why in football your lucky you have 10 others around u hopefully with 5 others who just may be better off standing up to the plate.



Its been proven that the pressure matters less the more you practice.  So if it comes to  a really pressurised situation who is more likely to bottle it, the person who has practised time and time again or the person who just fancies it that day.  It will on average be the first person all the  time.

The stats for Germany confirm this. They do their homework, both as goalkeepers and as penalty takers. Look at their stats in peno shootouts, it is staggering. If it was the lottery that so many old school managers try to sugget it is, it would break every sort of probability mathematical theory. 
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Would agree with Baldrick on this, practice simply has to increase your chances of scoring. Does anyone think the likes of Beckham, Mijhialovic, the Lyon Juninho, C Ronaldo and those kind of specialist long distance free takers are just generally lucky ? Cant say about the other 2, but it is well known that during their respective days at Man U, Ronaldo and Beckham both used stay back after training and practice long distance frees from all angles. I accept that the pressure can't be recreated, but if the technique is at least right, then your chances increase.
 
 
 
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I think the skill involved in a long distance free kick is a lot more than a penalty though. Every professional footballer should be able to pick a side of a goal from 12 yards and hit it there repeatedly, when it comes down to the pressure of a big penalty their mindset completely changes and they panic. The best penalty takers are those who can ignore that nervousness. In other words the best penalty takers are the cockiest lads on the team!
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