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Originally posted by irish_major irish_major wrote:

Can't wait for this game - I'd like to see a little bit of pragmatism in our approach and would go with the following:

                                           Bazunu
                       Collins         Egan      O' Shea        
              Coleman                                       O' Dowda
                           Knight     Cullen     Molumby
                                      Smallbone  
                                      Ferguson

The only issue I have with that team is O'Dowda - he is not a good defender, even last night, where he played well going forward, some of his defensive positioning was very poor. Coman will make mincemeat of him. Has to be either Doherty or Mc Clean at LWB imo.

I also thought Obafemi did well last night, but maybe it's best to finish the game with him on the pitch rather than start him.

I get the point regarding O'Dowda, but the issue there is that neither McClean or Doherty are up to much defensively either. There isn't an easy fix for that position unfortunately. Away in France it might be worth considering putting a centre back out there and basically play a flat back five to batten down the hatches, but we shouldn't be doing that at home and I couldn't see Kenny trying it on Monday.

It will be O'Dowda or McClean I'd say. Not much between them to be honest.


I'd personally go Doherty (assuming Coleman is fit), Mc Clean, O'Dowda in that order. O'Dowda is the least defensively capable in my view, although none fill me with confidence. Coman does  lot of his best work cutting inside so for that reason, the right footed Doherty may be the best option. It's a tough call for the manager, but O'Dowda has no defensive instincts whatsoever and is the least experienced of the 3 playing the role.
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Originally posted by Huggybeer Huggybeer wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Probable french line up from l'equipe for the Holland game:

<span style="color: rgb29, 29, 27; font-family: DINNextLTPro-Regular, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; : rgb238, 238, 238;">Maignan - Koundé, Konaté, Upamecano, T. Hernandez - Griezmann, Tchouaméni, Rabiot - Coman, Kolo Muani or Giroud, Mbappé (cap.).</span>


Griezmann might not play, at logger heads with manager after loosing captaincy

so a bit of disruption in the camp over it ,,

Griezmann is their most creative player. He was brilliant at The World Cup. They don't have a natural replacement for him either. The rest of their attackers are quick wide players.

If I was to pick one french player to miss the game against us I'd go for Greizmann. He's their main creative force and when he's not in the game, Mbappe has to go deep to collect the ball which means he's not in our box ad much or terrorising us on the flanks.

No De Jong for Holland tomorrow, let's hope for a comfy France win 2-0 or so, and they'll come to Dublin thinking job done for this window.


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Agreed on the france winning tomorrow thing.

Looking forward to Monday now and a few Scoops in Ringsend. havent been able to drink at a game in months.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by irish_major irish_major wrote:

Can't wait for this game - I'd like to see a little bit of pragmatism in our approach and would go with the following:

                                           Bazunu
                       Collins         Egan      O' Shea        
              Coleman                                       O' Dowda
                           Knight     Cullen     Molumby
                                      Smallbone  
                                      Ferguson

The only issue I have with that team is O'Dowda - he is not a good defender, even last night, where he played well going forward, some of his defensive positioning was very poor. Coman will make mincemeat of him. Has to be either Doherty or Mc Clean at LWB imo.

I also thought Obafemi did well last night, but maybe it's best to finish the game with him on the pitch rather than start him.

I get the point regarding O'Dowda, but the issue there is that neither McClean or Doherty are up to much defensively either. There isn't an easy fix for that position unfortunately. Away in France it might be worth considering putting a centre back out there and basically play a flat back five to batten down the hatches, but we shouldn't be doing that at home and I couldn't see Kenny trying it on Monday.

It will be O'Dowda or McClean I'd say. Not much between them to be honest.


Fwiw, I think it will be Doherty Smile
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by irish_major irish_major wrote:

Can't wait for this game - I'd like to see a little bit of pragmatism in our approach and would go with the following:

                                           Bazunu
                       Collins         Egan      O' Shea        
              Coleman                                       O' Dowda
                           Knight     Cullen     Molumby
                                      Smallbone  
                                      Ferguson

The only issue I have with that team is O'Dowda - he is not a good defender, even last night, where he played well going forward, some of his defensive positioning was very poor. Coman will make mincemeat of him. Has to be either Doherty or Mc Clean at LWB imo.

I also thought Obafemi did well last night, but maybe it's best to finish the game with him on the pitch rather than start him.

I get the point regarding O'Dowda, but the issue there is that neither McClean or Doherty are up to much defensively either. There isn't an easy fix for that position unfortunately. Away in France it might be worth considering putting a centre back out there and basically play a flat back five to batten down the hatches, but we shouldn't be doing that at home and I couldn't see Kenny trying it on Monday.

It will be O'Dowda or McClean I'd say. Not much between them to be honest.


Fwiw, I think it will be Doherty Smile

Just to expand on that. The whole point of playing Doherty last night (which we all agreed with I think) was to give him minutes to shake off the rustiness. Was he rusty, yes understandably. Did he make a couple of defensive errors, yes. Will the game hopefully bring him on? Well that was the point, so hopefully yes. While O'Dowda did well to get on the end of a cross in the opposition box, where did that chance come from? The RHS where nearly all of our good attacking play emanated from driven by guess who? Doherty and his interplay with Smallbone.

I dont see Doherty not starting vs France so it's either at RWB instead of Coleman or at LWB instead of Mc Clean. That's the big decision for Kenny as I see it. Coleman vs Mc Clean, unless god forbid he plays Coleman as the RCB, which is also a possibility. I like O'Dowda as a player, but no way would I be starting him as a wing back vs France.


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Whatever the views on who is the better player i find it inconceivable that Doherty would start over Coleman purely on current playing form and time. How can you logically pick a man that hasn't played for the guts of 2 months almost as opposed to someone who is now playing weekly in the PL. Also it isnt as if Doherty has pace either. Id say Coleman is prob faster if anything. If there were both playing weekly then its a toss up. Some decisions seem obvious to me and this is one. Playing him on the left then cancels out him crossing in from that side. I dont know seems illogical to me.
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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Whatever the views on who is the better player i find it inconceivable that Doherty would start over Coleman purely on current playing form and time. How can you logically pick a man that hasn't played for the guts of 2 months almost as opposed to someone who is now playing weekly in the PL. Also it isnt as if Doherty has pace either. Id say Coleman is prob faster if anything. If there were both playing weekly then its a toss up. Some decisions seem obvious to me and this is one. Playing him on the left then cancels out him crossing in from that side. I dont know seems illogical to me.

I actually agree, I'd start Coleman, but I'd also start Doherty on the left. Doherty even on the RHS isnt much of a one for getting to the bye line and putting in crosses, he tends to cut inside and attack the box, so he can do that equally well if not better from the left, not that I expect our wing backs to be playing too advanced in any case. He will also be up against Coman who likes to cut inside which should suit Doherty. I think Matt is our best chance of limiting Coman's influence. Coman vs O'Dowda is just an accident waiting to happen. I'd be amazed if thats the call. 

I'll just add that in my view Doherty's best performance in recent times was the game in Faro where he played LWB. He defended really well that day against a good attacking team and himself and Connolly caused Portugal real problems down the LHS.
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Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Probable french line up from l'equipe for the Holland game:

<span style="color: rgb29, 29, 27; font-family: DINNextLTPro-Regular, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; : rgb238, 238, 238;">Maignan - Koundé, Konaté, Upamecano, T. Hernandez - Griezmann, Tchouaméni, Rabiot - Coman, Kolo Muani or Giroud, Mbappé (cap.).</span>


Griezmann might not play, at logger heads with manager after loosing captaincy

so a bit of disruption in the camp over it ,,
Griezmann has played about 60 matches in a row for France. He’s hugely committed to the national team. I’d say he will get over it. Camavinga not predicted to play tomorrow night is mad. Must be one of the best 20 year olds in world football and a regular this season for Real. Deschamps must think he is too young still or doesn’t fancy him for his system.
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Originally posted by Huggybeer Huggybeer wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Probable french line up from l'equipe for the Holland game:

<span style="color: rgb29, 29, 27; font-family: DINNextLTPro-Regular, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; : rgb238, 238, 238;">Maignan - Koundé, Konaté, Upamecano, T. Hernandez - Griezmann, Tchouaméni, Rabiot - Coman, Kolo Muani or Giroud, Mbappé (cap.).</span>


Griezmann might not play, at logger heads with manager after loosing captaincy

so a bit of disruption in the camp over it ,,
Griezmann has played about 60 matches in a row for France. He’s hugely committed to the national team. I’d say he will get over it. Camavinga not predicted to play tomorrow night is mad. Must be one of the best 20 year olds in world football and a regular this season for Real. Deschamps must think he is too young still or doesn’t fancy him for his system.

Camavinga is quality, yeah. 

But the Rabiot and Tchouaméni pivot served Deschamps well at The World Cup. Rabiot is having a good season for Juve.

They're not short of options in midfield.
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Originally posted by EdisonCavani EdisonCavani wrote:

Originally posted by Huggybeer Huggybeer wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Probable french line up from l'equipe for the Holland game:

<span style="color: rgb29, 29, 27; font-family: DINNextLTPro-Regular, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; : rgb238, 238, 238;">Maignan - Koundé, Konaté, Upamecano, T. Hernandez - Griezmann, Tchouaméni, Rabiot - Coman, Kolo Muani or Giroud, Mbappé (cap.).</span>


Griezmann might not play, at logger heads with manager after loosing captaincy

so a bit of disruption in the camp over it ,,
Griezmann has played about 60 matches in a row for France. He’s hugely committed to the national team. I’d say he will get over it. Camavinga not predicted to play tomorrow night is mad. Must be one of the best 20 year olds in world football and a regular this season for Real. Deschamps must think he is too young still or doesn’t fancy him for his system.

I think he just sees it as a straight shoot out between Camavinga and Tchouameni with Tchouameni being mostly preferred (as is the case at Real when both are fit). Just shows the strength in depth they possess.
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I think he could well go with Ferguson and Obafemi, which I wouldn't really be averse to. For the first time in years, we have 2 strikers who we can fire the ball into and they'll make it stick, as well as providing a goal threat.

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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by EdisonCavani EdisonCavani wrote:

Originally posted by Huggybeer Huggybeer wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Probable french line up from l'equipe for the Holland game:

<span style="color: rgb29, 29, 27; font-family: DINNextLTPro-Regular, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; : rgb238, 238, 238;">Maignan - Koundé, Konaté, Upamecano, T. Hernandez - Griezmann, Tchouaméni, Rabiot - Coman, Kolo Muani or Giroud, Mbappé (cap.).</span>


Griezmann might not play, at logger heads with manager after loosing captaincy

so a bit of disruption in the camp over it ,,
Griezmann has played about 60 matches in a row for France. He’s hugely committed to the national team. I’d say he will get over it. Camavinga not predicted to play tomorrow night is mad. Must be one of the best 20 year olds in world football and a regular this season for Real. Deschamps must think he is too young still or doesn’t fancy him for his system.

I think he just sees it as a straight shoot out between Camavinga and Tchouameni with Tchouameni being mostly preferred (as is the case at Real when both are fit). Just shows the strength in depth they possess.

Camavinga has started ahead of Tchouameni for Madrid the past month or so! He’ll be sub tomorrow which unfortunately means he will likely play against us on Monday.

Griezmann is vice captain and hasn’t fallen out with Deschamps, he will play both games.
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by EdisonCavani EdisonCavani wrote:

Originally posted by Huggybeer Huggybeer wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Probable french line up from l'equipe for the Holland game:

<span style="color: rgb29, 29, 27; font-family: DINNextLTPro-Regular, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; : rgb238, 238, 238;">Maignan - Koundé, Konaté, Upamecano, T. Hernandez - Griezmann, Tchouaméni, Rabiot - Coman, Kolo Muani or Giroud, Mbappé (cap.).</span>


Griezmann might not play, at logger heads with manager after loosing captaincy

so a bit of disruption in the camp over it ,,
Griezmann has played about 60 matches in a row for France. He’s hugely committed to the national team. I’d say he will get over it. Camavinga not predicted to play tomorrow night is mad. Must be one of the best 20 year olds in world football and a regular this season for Real. Deschamps must think he is too young still or doesn’t fancy him for his system.

I think he just sees it as a straight shoot out between Camavinga and Tchouameni with Tchouameni being mostly preferred (as is the case at Real when both are fit). Just shows the strength in depth they possess.

Camavinga has started ahead of Tchouameni for Madrid the past month or so! He’ll be sub tomorrow which unfortunately means he will likely play against us on Monday.

Griezmann is vice captain and hasn’t fallen out with Deschamps, he will play both games.

Tchouaméni has had niggling injuries and a bout of illness in 2023. Those and a bit of a World Cup hangover.

Camavinga has played well in his absence. He fills in at LB a bit as well.
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Originally posted by Banana_RepublicFC Banana_RepublicFC wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by EdisonCavani EdisonCavani wrote:

Originally posted by Huggybeer Huggybeer wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Probable french line up from l'equipe for the Holland game:

<span style="color: rgb29, 29, 27; font-family: DINNextLTPro-Regular, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; : rgb238, 238, 238;">Maignan - Koundé, Konaté, Upamecano, T. Hernandez - Griezmann, Tchouaméni, Rabiot - Coman, Kolo Muani or Giroud, Mbappé (cap.).</span>


Griezmann might not play, at logger heads with manager after loosing captaincy

so a bit of disruption in the camp over it ,,
Griezmann has played about 60 matches in a row for France. He’s hugely committed to the national team. I’d say he will get over it. Camavinga not predicted to play tomorrow night is mad. Must be one of the best 20 year olds in world football and a regular this season for Real. Deschamps must think he is too young still or doesn’t fancy him for his system.

I think he just sees it as a straight shoot out between Camavinga and Tchouameni with Tchouameni being mostly preferred (as is the case at Real when both are fit). Just shows the strength in depth they possess.

Camavinga has started ahead of Tchouameni for Madrid the past month or so! He’ll be sub tomorrow which unfortunately means he will likely play against us on Monday.

Griezmann is vice captain and hasn’t fallen out with Deschamps, he will play both games.

Tchouaméni has had niggling injuries and a bout of illness in 2023. Those and a bit of a World Cup hangover.

Camavinga has played well in his absence. He fills in at LB a bit as well.

Oh I know but he’s been back since the Atletico Madrid game over a month ago and Camavinga has been excellent in that time.

They can definitely play together as they are not like for like, Rabiot nowhere near as good as either but in fairness to him he did have a decent World Cup.
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Rabiot nowhere near as good as either.

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Rabiot nowhere near as good as either.

Don't say that to his mammy.

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Rabiot nowhere near as good as either.

Don't say that to his mammy.

LOL

Never upset the mammy, rumours this morning around LFC interest in Rabiot which would surprise me. In Rabiot's defence, while I agree both Tchouameni and Camavinga are excellent young players and potentially world class, neither of them could be considered attacking players and Rabiot was very good going forward in the WC. Barring injuries, I dont expect Camavinga and Tchouameni to start together for France against us.
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I'd go with this. Coleman at RCB backing up Doherty i think would help as he has the nous and experience we'll need to try to keep some sort of a handle on Mbappe. 

Smallbone showed something we really don't have last night, one of the few positives to take away. 

I'd have Ogbene over Obafemi, because i think with Ferguson and Obafemi, Ferguson will be the one coming deep trying to play Obafemi in, and i think we're better suited to Ogbene doing the hard work for Ferguson to be as big of a threat in the final third as possible. Obafemi would be a great option off the bench.


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