Ireland V England 1957

i believe the hornet was at all these matches , with his son.

Edited by RogerMilla - 07 Nov 2013 at 2:55pm

Another last minute equalizer to scupper our challenge

Love that commentary, the silence is truly eerie.

Dunphy said we would have qualified.   

Baldrick wrote: Dunphy said we would have qualified.    I do not understand how we would have been ahead of England.

Had we won that match we would have finished level on 6 points apiece and there would have been a playoff between ourselves and england. There was no goal difference then.

Cabra Hoop wrote: Baldrick wrote: Dunphy said we would have qualified.    I do not understand how we would have been ahead of England.    Had we won that match we would have finished level on 6 points apiece and there would have been a playoff between ourselves and england. There was no goal difference then.   Wales qualified in 1958 (there only time) despite being eliminated in qualifying. Israel were to play Belgium in a play-off but Belgium refused so FIFA invited Wales to take Belgiums place, which they did and duly won.

Any idea why Belgium were the chosen ones to play the chosen ones and then Wales. Picked out of a hat at random?? or early days of FIFA political greasing??


Edited by Dalymount79 - 07 Nov 2013 at 4:53pm

Dalymount79 wrote: Cabra Hoop wrote: Baldrick wrote: Dunphy said we would have qualified.    I do not understand how we would have been ahead of England.    Had we won that match we would have finished level on 6 points apiece and there would have been a playoff between ourselves and england. There was no goal difference then.   Wales qualified in 1958 (there only time) despite being eliminated in qualifying. Israel were to play Belgium in a play-off but Belgium refused so FIFA invited Wales to take Belgiums place, which they did and duly won.   Any idea why Belgium were the chosen ones to play the chosen ones and then Wales. Picked out of a hat at random?? or early days of FIFA political greasing??

Wikipedia says that FIFA had ruled that no team could qualify with out playing a match, as in previous qualifiers teams withdrawing had meant some teams qualifying without playing. Israel were in Africa/Asia at the time, in round one they drew Turkey who refused to play in the Africa/Asia group (presume they wanted to be in Europe), in the second round Israel drew Indonesia who withdrew after their request to play them on neutral ground was refused, they then got to the final round against Sudan, who also refused to play them for political reason. This meant they would have qualified without playing, so they had to play against a UEFA team. Belgium refused and Wales were called upon, but it doesn't say why Belgium refused. Going by the bit in bold, they must have had a draw of all of the 2nd place UEFA teams, Belgium got drawn, didn't fancy it, so Wales got drawn instead? And that's also basically why Israel are now in UEFA. Edit: actually it might not have been only UEFA teams involved in the Israel playoff, someone on the Wikipedia talk page reckons he has a Swedish book that says both Uruguay and Belgium refused to play them, not 100% clear if Uruguay (or Belgium for that matter) refused to participate before the draw and Wales got drawn, or if Belgium got drawn, refused to play and then Wales.

Edited by Hoosay - 07 Nov 2013 at 6:41pm

Baldrick wrote: Maybe the likes of AidoM and Claret Murph may remember this.   http://www.rte.ie/archives/exhibitions/1411-radio-sports-commentary/1450-philip-greene/365144-international-soccer-ireland-v-england/ 3 October 1956 Republic of Ireland  2 – 1  Denmark Dublin, Republic of Ireland [show]  5 December 1956 England  5 – 2  Denmark Wolverhampton, England [show]  8 May 1957 England  5 – 1  Republic of Ireland London, England [show]  15 May 1957 Denmark  1 – 4  England Copenhagen, Denmark [show]  19 May 1957 Republic of Ireland  1 – 1  England Dublin, Republic of Ireland [show]  2 November 1957 Denmark  0 – 2  Republic of Ireland Copenhagen, Denmark [show]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh at last before i was born 

Scotland withdrew aswell as they claimed they would only travel as 'British' Champions (the old Home Internationals).