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Squad for a friendly double-header v Slovakia, starting Saturday.
No Kone-Doherty, which is a shame.  Is he injured?

Also, squad is mostly 2005 lads who won't be eligible for next season's U19's, right (mentioned above)?
So is as much a showcase for those lads for future U21 squads.


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Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:


Squad for a friendly double-header v Slovakia, starting Saturday.
No Kone-Doherty, which is a shame.  Is he injured?

Also, squad is mostly 2005 lads who won't be eligible for next season's U19's, right (mentioned above)?
So is as much a showcase for those lads for future U21 squads.


Played and scored in PL2 over the weekend there.

Possibly not being released since they're friendlies / unofficial games.
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Don’t think it’s mostly 2005s, there are a few in there alright. Fair play to Adam Deans. Was playing with Joeys in the DDSL this time last year. Released by Rovers and Bray in recent years and has clearly worked hard to get to where he is
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Regardless of the reason for Trent-Doherty's absence on this occasion, I'm sure NI have offered him senior caps.

He is in precisely the same position Conor Bradley and Shea Charles were in when first called up to their senior squad - academy player at a CL club. 

Using this policy, Michael O'Neill has slowly rejuvenated his squad to a much higher level than even two years ago. 
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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Regardless of the reason for Trent-Doherty's absence on this occasion, I'm sure NI have offered him senior caps.

He is in precisely the same position Conor Bradley and Shea Charles were in when first called up to their senior squad - academy player at a CL club. 

Using this policy, Michael O'Neill has slowly rejuvenated his squad to a much higher level than even two years ago. 

Kone-Doherty would be a switch up in policy even conpared to Bradley and Charles, he's well behind where they were when they were capped. I can't see him going anywhere, Derry men generally aren't for turning.
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Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

Don’t think it’s mostly 2005s, there are a few in there alright. Fair play to Adam Deans. Was playing with Joeys in the DDSL this time last year. Released by Rovers and Bray in recent years and has clearly worked hard to get to where he is


Walsh, Wogan, Cailloce, Temple, Lipsiuc, McManus, Whitmarsh, Umeh, Moore are all 2005 going by wiki. There's no ages for Rhys Brennan or Ryan Kelly.

So 41% of the squad are 2005 assuming Brennan and Kelly are 2006. Wonder would it have been better to organise two squads and have it 2005 Vs 2006 games. That way more players get game time rather than picking one squad that includes both 2005 and 2006.

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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Regardless of the reason for Trent-Doherty's absence on this occasion, I'm sure NI have offered him senior caps.

He is in precisely the same position Conor Bradley and Shea Charles were in when first called up to their senior squad - academy player at a CL club. 

Using this policy, Michael O'Neill has slowly rejuvenated his squad to a much higher level than even two years ago. 

Kone-Doherty would be a switch up in policy even conpared to Bradley and Charles, he's well behind where they were when they were capped. I can't see him going anywhere, Derry men generally aren't for turning.

That's simply not true regarding Bradley and Shea Charles.

Bradley made his debut for NI senior team at 17 years old in May 2021, while still playing youth league and PL2 football for Liverpool.  So basically an identical situation to Kone-Doherty now.   

Shea Charles, same situation.  He was called up to the NI senior squad in May 2022 and made his senior debut a few days later, while playing youth and PL2 for Man City.  He would not make a senior club appearance for over a year. 

You can be sure NI have dangled the carrot of a senior cap.  




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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Regardless of the reason for Trent-Doherty's absence on this occasion, I'm sure NI have offered him senior caps.

He is in precisely the same position Conor Bradley and Shea Charles were in when first called up to their senior squad - academy player at a CL club. 

Using this policy, Michael O'Neill has slowly rejuvenated his squad to a much higher level than even two years ago. 

Kone-Doherty would be a switch up in policy even conpared to Bradley and Charles, he's well behind where they were when they were capped. I can't see him going anywhere, Derry men generally aren't for turning.

That's simply not true regarding Bradley and Shea Charles.

Bradley made his debut for NI senior team at 17 years old in May 2021, while still playing youth league and PL2 football for Liverpool.  So basically an identical situation to Kone-Doherty now.   

Shea Charles, same situation.  He was called up to the NI senior squad in May 2022 and made his senior debut a few days later, while playing youth and PL2 for Man City.  He would not make a senior club appearance for over a year. 

You can be sure NI have dangled the carrot of a senior cap.  



Kone-Doherty plays almost exclusively for Liverpool under 18's, so yes, it "simply is true".
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Kone-Doherty plays almost exclusively for Liverpool under 18's, so yes, it "simply is true".
this season Kone-Doherty has ten appearances for the U21s(six starts, four introductions) and nine for the U18s, all starts.

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Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Kone-Doherty plays almost exclusively for Liverpool under 18's, so yes, it "simply is true".
this season Kone-Doherty has ten appearances for the U21s(six starts, four introductions) and nine for the U18s, all starts.


800 minutes at under 18 vs 500 at under 21, he's a Liverpool Under-18 first and foremost.
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But you said he "plays almost exclusively for Liverpool under 18's,"

You now agree that's not correct? It's ok to be wrong on the internet like
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Cathal Heffernan, Justin Ferizaj, Tom Bloxham and Kevin Zefi are also missing.
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Originally posted by Godzilla Godzilla wrote:

Cathal Heffernan, Justin Ferizaj, Tom Bloxham and Kevin Zefi are also missing.

True, a fair few lads who you'd expect to be in are missing.
I guess the fact they are simply friendlies, and some of those lads may not be playing much football for their clubs for whatever reasons (Zefi and Ferizaj, I believe), then it gives the management an opportunity to run the rule over a few others.
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Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

Originally posted by Godzilla Godzilla wrote:

Cathal Heffernan, Justin Ferizaj, Tom Bloxham and Kevin Zefi are also missing.

True, a fair few lads who you'd expect to be in are missing.
I guess the fact they are simply friendlies, and some of those lads may not be playing much football for their clubs for whatever reasons (Zefi and Ferizaj, I believe), then it gives the management an opportunity to run the rule over a few others.

Ferizaj is playing regularly for Frosinone's  U19 team in Primavera 1, which is the highest youth level in Italy. Maybe they didn't want to release him or he isn't deemed good enough anymore.

Bloxham has gone on loan to Harrogate from Blackburn, so that makes sense. They'll have games during the international break.

Heffernan captained and scored for Newcastle U21 vs Sunderland U21 the other day. Maybe they didn't want to release him.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Regardless of the reason for Trent-Doherty's absence on this occasion, I'm sure NI have offered him senior caps.

He is in precisely the same position Conor Bradley and Shea Charles were in when first called up to their senior squad - academy player at a CL club. 

Using this policy, Michael O'Neill has slowly rejuvenated his squad to a much higher level than even two years ago. 

Kone-Doherty would be a switch up in policy even conpared to Bradley and Charles, he's well behind where they were when they were capped. I can't see him going anywhere, Derry men generally aren't for turning.

That's simply not true regarding Bradley and Shea Charles.

Bradley made his debut for NI senior team at 17 years old in May 2021, while still playing youth league and PL2 football for Liverpool.  So basically an identical situation to Kone-Doherty now.   

Shea Charles, same situation.  He was called up to the NI senior squad in May 2022 and made his senior debut a few days later, while playing youth and PL2 for Man City.  He would not make a senior club appearance for over a year. 

You can be sure NI have dangled the carrot of a senior cap.  



Kone-Doherty plays almost exclusively for Liverpool under 18's, so yes, it "simply is true".

No, once again, O'Shea, I'm afraid you're spoofing.  

Just like Conor Bradley in the season he was picked for NI Seniors, TKD played for both the u18s and the PL2 team at Liverpool.  

In 2024, TKD has firmly switched to the PL2 team - he has played in all bar one of Liverpool's PL2 matches, whereas TKD played only 2 U18 games, and these were at the start of the year.   TKD has a small number more U18 games at the start of the season (7), but the differences are minor.   

If anything, the development of TKD to date and Bradley's at the same age has been uncannily similar. 

Incidentally, Conor Bradley's two most recent matches before making his Senior Debut for NI on 20 May 2021 were for Liverpool U18s in cup matches against Ipswich U18 (12 May 2021) and Villa U18 (24 May 2021). 

So, yes, on previous form, you can expect TKD has been fielding calls from the IFA senior set-up.  

It's kind of a waste of my time explaining this in such detail, but if it serves the purpose of pointing out the number of times you disagree just for the sake of it (and as a result clog up the threads with nonsense), it might do the forum a service. 
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