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When Switzerland had the ball, they seemed to have acres of space and loads of time on the ball. We never looked like that. Not sure if that is players, style, tactics or all 3.

With regards to it being a wasted opportunity not having Kenny in charge now, who do people think he would have (or should have) started Thursday night,  and in place of whom?


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Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

When Switzerland had the ball, they seemed to have acres of space and loads of time on the ball. We never looked like that. Not sure if that is players, style, tactics or all 3.

With regards to it being a wasted opportunity not having Kenny in charge now, who do people think he would have (or should have) started Thursday night,  and in place of whom?

That is the question that never gets answered. 
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Originally posted by gufct gufct wrote:

Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

When Switzerland had the ball, they seemed to have acres of space and loads of time on the ball. We never looked like that. Not sure if that is players, style, tactics or all 3.

With regards to it being a wasted opportunity not having Kenny in charge now, who do people think he would have (or should have) started Thursday night,  and in place of whom?

That is the question that never gets answered. 

As always it depends on your perspective, ireland will play the usual suspects for the remaining 3 games, your whelans, mccleans, Brady if fit, hendrick etc

If we fail to qualify it would have been a complete waste of time and a missed opportunity to bleed in players like Manning, cullen, doherty, egan etc etc 

The usual suspect players are our best shot of qualifying as they have all the international experience (doensnt mean they are the best players available) 

But then when do we actually bleed new players into the team? One of the 3 friendlies we have per year? Surely we wont do it at the start of the new world cup campaign? 
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The game reminded me of Austria at home under the last nutjobs. Talk the talk before the match, then lay down, go behind, and be completely outplayed for 75-80 minutes after ko. Kick and rush after that, nick a point, talk about a good job well done. 

Switzerland tried to beat Denmark, Denmark tried to beat us, we struggled to see off Gibraltar. Atm, we're getting by this group on luck. Nick a goal here, scrap a point there, our main goal threat is still a centre back off a set piece. As we saw in/after the last playoff, eventually luck runs out and when it does, we have to try and play some football. 
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

The game reminded me of Austria at home under the last nutjobs. Talk the talk before the match, then lay down, go behind, and be completely outplayed for 75-80 minutes after ko. Kick and rush after that, nick a point, talk about a good job well done. 

Switzerland tried to beat Denmark, Denmark tried to beat us, we struggled to see off Gibraltar. Atm, we're getting by this group on luck. Nick a goal here, scrap a point there, our main goal threat is still a centre back off a set piece. As we saw in/after the last playoff, eventually luck runs out and when it does, we have to try and play some football. 


Thats some sh*te your talking there. 
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

The game reminded me of Austria at home under the last nutjobs. Talk the talk before the match, then lay down, go behind, and be completely outplayed for 75-80 minutes after ko. Kick and rush after that, nick a point, talk about a good job well done. 

Switzerland tried to beat Denmark, Denmark tried to beat us, we struggled to see off Gibraltar. Atm, we're getting by this group on luck. Nick a goal here, scrap a point there, our main goal threat is still a centre back off a set piece. As we saw in/after the last playoff, eventually luck runs out and when it does, we have to try and play some football. 

We weren't outplayed for 75-80 minutes though, were we? We gave as good as we got in the 1st half, before Switzerland got on top of us in the 2nd (which is to be completely expected considering they're the better side), and we then battled back when we went behind. It was a pretty good performance, where we mixed our usual grit and determination with some decent spells of play.
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It was a good result, not a good performance.

Agree we were ok and even good at times in the first half but we completely lost our shape in the second half.

We rode our luck at times and were pretty lucky to get a point in the end 
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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by gufct gufct wrote:

Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

When Switzerland had the ball, they seemed to have acres of space and loads of time on the ball. We never looked like that. Not sure if that is players, style, tactics or all 3.

With regards to it being a wasted opportunity not having Kenny in charge now, who do people think he would have (or should have) started Thursday night,  and in place of whom?



That is the question that never gets answered. 


As always it depends on your perspective, ireland will play the usual suspects for the remaining 3 games, your whelans, mccleans, Brady if fit, hendrick etc

If we fail to qualify it would have been a complete waste of time and a missed opportunity to bleed in players like Manning, cullen, doherty, egan etc etc 

 


At what point do you stop being a development team and start playing the best available players and try your best to get a result?

The idea that the senior national team become some sort of sandbox for fans wanting to be football manager simply needs to stop.

Mick's priority is to qualify for the Euros. End of.

You play your best players, you pick the best squad.

Give or take - Mick picked the best available squad and played the best available starting 11 and did his best to get a result, and we did, although we all wanted a win, we got a draw against a much more technical side, and overall it was a good result.


     
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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by gufct gufct wrote:

Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

When Switzerland had the ball, they seemed to have acres of space and loads of time on the ball. We never looked like that. Not sure if that is players, style, tactics or all 3.

With regards to it being a wasted opportunity not having Kenny in charge now, who do people think he would have (or should have) started Thursday night,  and in place of whom?

That is the question that never gets answered. 

As always it depends on your perspective, ireland will play the usual suspects for the remaining 3 games, your whelans, mccleans, Brady if fit, hendrick etc

If we fail to qualify it would have been a complete waste of time and a missed opportunity to bleed in players like Manning, cullen, doherty, egan etc etc 

The usual suspect players are our best shot of qualifying as they have all the international experience (doensnt mean they are the best players available) 

But then when do we actually bleed new players into the team? One of the 3 friendlies we have per year? Surely we wont do it at the start of the new world cup campaign? 

Who are these other Whelans and McCleans that will be playing?
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Originally posted by Stickittotheman Stickittotheman wrote:

Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

The game reminded me of Austria at home under the last nutjobs. Talk the talk before the match, then lay down, go behind, and be completely outplayed for 75-80 minutes after ko. Kick and rush after that, nick a point, talk about a good job well done. 

Switzerland tried to beat Denmark, Denmark tried to beat us, we struggled to see off Gibraltar. Atm, we're getting by this group on luck. Nick a goal here, scrap a point there, our main goal threat is still a centre back off a set piece. As we saw in/after the last playoff, eventually luck runs out and when it does, we have to try and play some football. 

Thats some sh*te your talking there. 

For a change... 
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

The game reminded me of Austria at home under the last nutjobs. Talk the talk before the match, then lay down, go behind, and be completely outplayed for 75-80 minutes after ko. Kick and rush after that, nick a point, talk about a good job well done. 

Switzerland tried to beat Denmark, Denmark tried to beat us, we struggled to see off Gibraltar. Atm, we're getting by this group on luck. Nick a goal here, scrap a point there, our main goal threat is still a centre back off a set piece. As we saw in/after the last playoff, eventually luck runs out and when it does, we have to try and play some football. 

We weren't outplayed for 75-80 minutes though, were we? We gave as good as we got in the 1st half, before Switzerland got on top of us in the 2nd (which is to be completely expected considering they're the better side), and we then battled back when we went behind. It was a pretty good performance, where we mixed our usual grit and determination with some decent spells of play.

Exactly how I saw it. Decent first, half, under the cosh second but came back well. Similar to game in Denmark. 

Agree with Left foot's comment as well. 
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We're limited but we've clearly improved. Under O'Neill you wouldn't have seen the first half break made by McGoldrick and the cross into Robinson. The possession stats would have been far less than 43% and we wouldn't have had 3 shots on target. 

We're no world beaters and we're fortunate to be in the position we are in. McCarthy has us doing as well as we possibly can. The nonsense of Christie playing midfield is gone. The team is well organised and doing it's job. The chaos off the pitch isn't effecting the team and the manager and players deserve credit for that. 
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Originally posted by williemc83 williemc83 wrote:

We're limited but we've clearly improved. Under O'Neill you wouldn't have seen the first half break made by McGoldrick and the cross into Robinson. The possession stats would have been far less than 43% and we wouldn't have had 3 shots on target. 

We're no world beaters and we're fortunate to be in the position we are in. McCarthy has us doing as well as we possibly can. The nonsense of Christie playing midfield is gone. The team is well organised and doing it's job. The chaos off the pitch isn't effecting the team and the manager and players deserve credit for that. 

Good post . People need to be realistic . We don't have the players to dictate the play against teams like Switzerland.  That's why we have to sit a little deeper and hit them on the break . Not as deep and negative as O Neill but if we pushed forward and tried to outplay them they'd open us up and we'd be exposed at the back . We're creating more chances under Mick and playing football in the right areas at the right times. Yes it's not nice to watch at times but Mick knows it's the only way we'll have a chance of qualifying.. 
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We are Ireland we should demand it better. Fear no enemy. Our problem is confidence when on the ball.
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Originally posted by Paul Andrew White Paul Andrew White wrote:

We are Ireland we should demand it better. Fear no enemy. Our problem is confidence when on the ball.

It is. 

Some want each of our managers to pass the ball till the cows come home yet we can’t put five passes together most times.
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Originally posted by BabbsBalls BabbsBalls wrote:

Originally posted by Paul Andrew White Paul Andrew White wrote:

We are Ireland we should demand it better. Fear no enemy. Our problem is confidence when on the ball.

It is. 

Some want each of our managers to pass the ball till the cows come home yet we can’t put five passes together most times.

That's because they're not allowed or encouraged to?

Instructions under Trap and O'Neill was to hoof the ball forward as quick as possible.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with retaining possession and playing some simple 5 and 10 yard passes.

Our kick and rush style just hands the ball back to the opposition straight away, for every Shane Long moment against Germany there are 50 needless passes given straight back to the opposition. 

It's all about finding a balance. 
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Originally posted by BabbsBalls BabbsBalls wrote:

Originally posted by Paul Andrew White Paul Andrew White wrote:

We are Ireland we should demand it better. Fear no enemy. Our problem is confidence when on the ball.

It is. 

Some want each of our managers to pass the ball till the cows come home yet we can’t put five passes together most times.

That's because they're not allowed or encouraged to?

Instructions under Trap and O'Neill was to hoof the ball forward as quick as possible.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with retaining possession and playing some simple 5 and 10 yard passes.

Our kick and rush style just hands the ball back to the opposition straight away, for every Shane Long moment against Germany there are 50 needless passes given straight back to the opposition. 

It's all about finding a balance. 

Of course they are allowed and encouraged to pass the ball . When you don't have that technical player to see that pass and hold onto the ball it's very hard to retain possession when your been pressed by a team 
If you have a couple of technical players in the midfield that are comfortable on the ball and can open up space it's easier to hold onto possession and pass the ball . Unfortunately we don't have that type of player. 
It's easy to say pass the ball but when you are been closed down really quickly and don't have the ability to find a little pocket of space it's really difficult... 
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