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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Trap - dinosaur.
O'Neill - dinosaur
McCarthy - dinosaur
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Kenny who is going to turn a bunch of potential youngsters (who mostly have never played a senior game of football in their lives (plying their trade for teams outside top divisions)) into this tiki taka, creative and dynamic team who will out play players who have been performing at the top levels of football for years.



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Rice is a DM with total control of the ball, and the ability to pass. His maturity is unparalleled amongst his age group. Grealish would have the ability to unlock other teams and give us that guile needed to create something from very little. If Liam Kelly could perform weekly like he can do, that would also make a difference.

You have a point. I think one of the major problems is the almost total lack of skill. What works for this team is that it has mastered a protective mindset, with a willingness to play bits of football. But inherently, last night showed very little in the way of basic skill.
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Trap - dinosaur.
O'Neill - dinosaur
McCarthy - dinosaur
Kenny - no dinosaur -

Kenny who is going to turn a bunch of potential youngsters (who mostly have never played a senior game of football in their lives (plying their trade for teams outside top divisions)) into this tiki taka, creative and dynamic team who will out play players who have been performing at the top levels of football for years.



We haven’t qualified for a World Cup in 20 years. What do we have to lose? I suppose we’re going to find out. 

But we need institutional progress and development. The Swiss changed, the Swedish changed, the Portuguese changed, the Belgians changed, the Austrians changed, the Welsh changed, even the f**king English changed. We stood still, now we struggle to beat them. We had a good twenty years where we could kick them around the place and get results.

As a caveat, I like McCarthy and I think he’s done a job improving performances and lifting the players. He also deserves respect for his past as a player and manager in green.
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I find it funny that people really think Mick is going to step aside if they qualify for Euro.

There is no way he won't want to stay on for WC. Handshake agreements are meaningless. 
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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

While watching the game last night I was thinking to myself, maybe it wasn’t just trap or o’neills fault.
I do think we are a bit more positive under Mick but our biggest shortcomings are nothing tactic related, it’s the players. Some of our players struggle to control basic passes. So everything is much more laboured and forceful, rather than slick.
 
When they're at their clubs they're surrounded by at least a couple of footballers who can control a ball and have good technique I suppose. Must make a difference, and make them look a bit better
 
 
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And we are top of the group with 3 games to go, qualification is in our own hands (albeit a difficult task).

Kenny is using the 2 years as 21's manager to develop the next gen of players into his style, so that when they do step up in the next few years they'll be ready.

I think this is a good approach by the FAI.

     
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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

While watching the game last night I was thinking to myself, maybe it wasn’t just trap or o’neills fault.
I do think we are a bit more positive under Mick but our biggest shortcomings are nothing tactic related, it’s the players. Some of our players struggle to control basic passes. So everything is much more laboured and forceful, rather than slick.
You can’t fault the players, they give it their all apart from henderick who I think is too much of a passenger at times. He can be great in bursts, which makes it even more frustrating. 

I think if we had one top level central midfielder we would be so much better. Not sure who that player could be even looking at the U21.
Did like that guy hodge. Imagine we had Rice and Grealish still, think that would be the difference between being a distant 3rd best in the group vs being the best or close enough 




Our squad is simply not as good as that of Denmark or Switzerland. But there's no disgrace in that and Mick even admitted last night we're not the best team in the group.

We could do with a couple of top class midfielders instead of the journeymen we have, but it is what it is and we're doing very well to remain in contention.
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Originally posted by Crosby87 Crosby87 wrote:

I find it funny that people really think Mick is going to step aside if they qualify for Euro.

There is no way he won't want to stay on for WC. Handshake agreements are meaningless. 

The state of every performance so far. Pure pure grit and determination has got a point against Switzerland and Denmark. By right this group should be over by now. 

I think the general public like Mick, but I don't think there's going to be any clamour to keep him on. There might be some good times over the next 9 months. We may qualify for the euros. We may even get out of the group again. Fundamentally I think people want change. People see the new crop of players coming through and want a new manager who hopefully will play a more progressive style. 

maybe it will be a completely failed experiment and we will just know our place in the footballing world, but this idea of not even trying something different and instead just hoofing the ball for the rest of our days really isn't a long-term tactic.
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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Trap - dinosaur.
O'Neill - dinosaur
McCarthy - dinosaur
Kenny - no dinosaur -

Kenny who is going to turn a bunch of potential youngsters (who mostly have never played a senior game of football in their lives (plying their trade for teams outside top divisions)) into this tiki taka, creative and dynamic team who will out play players who have been performing at the top levels of football for years.



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Eh not exactly true.
When we refer someone as a dinosaur it’s regarding the extremely outdated 5 in midfield system. It’s about 3 and a half years out of date.

As discussed only a few pages back results under Kenny are expected to decline but if he keeps the dinosaur system then its a completely pointless appointment. I’m prepared to accept less than ideal results whilst trying out his own ideas and players and I hope the rest of the fans will as it’ll be a transition period for Irish football.


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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

And we are top of the group with 3 games to go, qualification is in our own hands (albeit a difficult task).

Kenny is using the 2 years as 21's manager to develop the next gen of players into his style, so that when they do step up in the next few years they'll be ready.

I think this is a good approach by the FAI.


To be fair, there team have 11 points (barring a Gibraltar miracle)

But totally agree here.

I don't think Mick is a dinosaur either, the first half seen us try to play the ball out from the goalkeeper which you would never see under MON 
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What was last nights attendance?
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Originally posted by bogball88 bogball88 wrote:

What was last nights attendance?

44,111 was the official figure
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Looked like 44,093 to me. 
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Originally posted by DUBLIN DOC DUBLIN DOC wrote:

Originally posted by gufct gufct wrote:

Some people are going to be very disappointed ifStephennKenny doesn’t have us playing like Brazil and qualifying for finals.
Do you mean all the experts on here gufct ? LOL

I have not once heard anyone on here say they expect Ireland under Kenny to play like Brazil and qualify regularly for finals. It is an embarrassing comment that you and a couple of others keep parroting on here. It's childish beyond belief.

We are in an absolutely grim place football wise. McCarthy is a dinosaur. Unless we get an incredibly kind playoff draw we won't make Euro 2020. As Green Devil was saying the shortsightedness of the FAI and fans on this is scary. We lost 12 months under MON where we could have started to transition the squad, we are losing another 12-18 months under McCarthy.

That time lost will kill us in future. We are now years off putting together a squad capable of qualifying for a major tournament and actually competing competently there.

Btw, this whole free hit thing that keeps getting mentioned is nonsense. Why is it considered a free hit when you have more younger players in a squad? Maybe we'd actually be a better football team without some of the more established players? 

Just keep repeating the same verbal diarrhea about lots of people being disappointed when Kenny doesn't turn Ireland into Brazil though. Utter f*cking nonsense.


Edited by Hans Moleman - 06 Sep 2019 at 7:58pm
"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Trap - dinosaur.
O'Neill - dinosaur
McCarthy - dinosaur
Kenny - no dinosaur -

Kenny who is going to turn a bunch of potential youngsters (who mostly have never played a senior game of football in their lives (plying their trade for teams outside top divisions)) into this tiki taka, creative and dynamic team who will out play players who have been performing at the top levels of football for years.



LOL LOL LOL

This level of nonsense is a sight to behold
"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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My feelings on last night.

Hard not to feel slightly deflated after it. 

Can’t explain why but watching it unfold has made me feel that way. 

Like after 90mins - you take it of course especially when going 1 down. 

Switzerland haven’t played us in a while so just did the usual (top seed sh*t) of turn up and expect to beat us. We wouldn’t roll over for anyone. If we didn’t roll over for the world champions we won’t roll over for the Swiss. 

This is where I have main gripe with Mick. With MON before him and Trap before that. Like they were missing key players. We are at home. They haven’t played much (in this) due to NL carry on. They didn’t want to be there. 

Tear f**king in to them. Go after them. Hound them. Don’t sit back and allow them to stroke it around like some mid summer pre season sh*te. Kenny I hope, will go after teams. How many times do we come in at HT & say Jesus we aren’t bad and they’re “ insert any generic top seed here” sh*te. 45 mins is a long time in football. You don’t allow them to get away with it, have the crowd quieten and leave their manager tear them a new one in the dressing room. Which is exactly what happened. 

They came out and actually played. 45 mins too late for me but they played. Dominated us and generally looked a level or 2 above us. 

Look I’ll put it this way. If you score that goal playing junior football from centre back lads would want to be asking questions. Never mind at this level for f**ks sake. Lovely move, finish etc but how did it happen? 

Only positive for me is that under Mick we actually play slightly better ball. We still have the same mentality (should be a given when you play for Ireland) that we have that never say die attitude. How many late goals have we got over the years? 

We shouldn’t have to concede to play. That’s what angers me. It’s the same every time. Bollocks and a cop out. Oh 1-1 is great. It could have been so much better. But as usual with Ireland we live to fight another day.

For me I thought Duffy was superb, Hourihane was decent and Whelan had a good 2nd half.
Was Robinson injured or just wrecked? Did anyone else feel Hourihane came off too early?
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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

My feelings on last night.


Was Robinson injured or just wrecked? Did anyone else feel Hourihane came off too early?

Robinson has a strain. Out of the squad with McGoldrick vs Bulgaria. 
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Originally posted by greenscene greenscene wrote:

Might sound silly, but I think the result that may cost us most in this group was the 3-3 between Denmark and the Swiss. Would have really been in our interests for one side to take 6 points in the 2 meetings between them

doesn't sound silly at all. Even a 0-0 would have been fine, it's the fact that in an increasingly likely scenario of a 3 way tie on h2h, they have a 3-3 between them

before the group I'd have said we'd be lucky to score 3 goals in the 4 games against SUI and DEN but nearly achieved that already so what do I know LOL
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