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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

God help us when the next manager is appointed. Now that DOB has taken his money and left, do you really think that a certain individual will fork out for a top manager?  It will be Alan Pardew or a 500/1 outside bet foreigner or Robbie Keane.

We are doomed. Doomed I tells ya!

I'd say Mick McCarthy is waiting to see if we stick or twist after the Nation's League.
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

God help us when the next manager is appointed. Now that DOB has taken his money and left, do you really think that a certain individual will fork out for a top manager?  It will be Alan Pardew or a 500/1 outside bet foreigner or Robbie Keane.

We are doomed. Doomed I tells ya!
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Originally posted by DUBLIN DOC DUBLIN DOC wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

God help us when the next manager is appointed. Now that DOB has taken his money and left, do you really think that a certain individual will fork out for a top manager?  It will be Alan Pardew or a 500/1 outside bet foreigner or Robbie Keane.

We are doomed. Doomed I tells ya!
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Originally posted by Icy Bread People Icy Bread People wrote:

Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

I would be surprise if we managed one win in the Nations League.

Will put the new manager (if the FAI wants us to make Euro2020 at home) under pressure as we may not have the play off to fall back on. 

I think it may be best for us to not qualify, and for the FAI to try and start things again from the ground up. Not that that will happen. They'll appoint someone like Big Sam and the same old rubbish shall continue. I'd happily miss out on the next few tournaments for the good of the game in future
We've qualified for 6 tournaments in 80 years. What a f**kin ridiculous statement.
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

The likes of Hajduk, Dinamo, Rijeka etc are all big clubs in a sense who have really good academies in place. 

If we had a strong domestic league, I have no doubt if it was ran correctly and there were plenty of investment pumped into it we would soon seen the benefits.

This is it in a nutshell, a stronger domestic game would allow us hold onto some teenagers longer and help them develop here before moving abroad rather than leaving as teenagers to be stuck in academies and reserve teams until they're 22 or 23. Shamrock Rovers are trying to do things the right way with their academy but given the lack of funding clubs get here you gotta wonder how long they can keep it up. 

You also go through that Croatia team and I'd say the vast majority if not all of them played senior football in Croatia before moving abroad and then you've got the England or nothing mentality here with players unwilling to go abroad to European leagues. Another thing to change is the way underage international teams are ran here and look to follow the Belgian approach

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

God help us when the next manager is appointed. Now that DOB has taken his money and left, do you really think that a certain individual will fork out for a top manager?  It will be Alan Pardew or a 500/1 outside bet foreigner or Robbie Keane.

We are doomed. Doomed I tells ya!

Could have Pep and he still wouldn't make a difference. How much influence would international managers have, how much time would they spend working with players in camps? FAI have a couple of good coaches working with the 17s and 19s at the moment and should look at moving them up to 19s and 21s as the players get older and then onto the senior team. They'd cost you pennies and probably get the same results as someone looking to make a quick buck out of international management  while looking for a new club after being sacked by his 4th or 5th club in England.
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Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:


Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

The likes of Hajduk, Dinamo, Rijeka etc are all big clubs in a sense who have really good academies in place. 

If we had a strong domestic league, I have no doubt if it was ran correctly and there were plenty of investment pumped into it we would soon seen the benefits.

This is it in a nutshell, a stronger domestic game would allow us hold onto some teenagers longer and help them develop here before moving abroad rather than leaving as teenagers to be stuck in academies and reserve teams until they're 22 or 23. Shamrock Rovers are trying to do things the right way with their academy but given the lack of funding clubs get here you gotta wonder how long they can keep it up. 

You also go through that Croatia team and I'd say the vast majority if not all of them played senior football in Croatia before moving abroad and then you've got the England or nothing mentality here with players unwilling to go abroad to European leagues. Another thing to change is the way underage international teams are ran here and look to follow the Belgian approach

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

God help us when the next manager is appointed. Now that DOB has taken his money and left, do you really think that a certain individual will fork out for a top manager?  It will be Alan Pardew or a 500/1 outside bet foreigner or Robbie Keane.

We are doomed. Doomed I tells ya!

Could have Pep and he still wouldn't make a difference. How much influence would international managers have, how much time would they spend working with players in camps? FAI have a couple of good coaches working with the 17s and 19s at the moment and should look at moving them up to 19s and 21s as the players get older and then onto the senior team. They'd cost you pennies and probably get the same results as someone looking to make a quick buck out of international management  while looking for a new club after being sacked by his 4th or 5th club in England.


Nonsense.   What a cop out.  More than enough time to get basics and set pieces right.  If that were the case every international side would be all over the gaff.
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

[QUOTE=Icy Bread People]We've qualified for 6 tournaments in 80 years. What a f**kin ridiculous statement.

Chillax. I just think another flukey qualification will be another band aid for a while. Personally I'd prefer abject failure until JD's head rolls and major changes are made. 
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:


Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

The likes of Hajduk, Dinamo, Rijeka etc are all big clubs in a sense who have really good academies in place. 

If we had a strong domestic league, I have no doubt if it was ran correctly and there were plenty of investment pumped into it we would soon seen the benefits.

This is it in a nutshell, a stronger domestic game would allow us hold onto some teenagers longer and help them develop here before moving abroad rather than leaving as teenagers to be stuck in academies and reserve teams until they're 22 or 23. Shamrock Rovers are trying to do things the right way with their academy but given the lack of funding clubs get here you gotta wonder how long they can keep it up. 

You also go through that Croatia team and I'd say the vast majority if not all of them played senior football in Croatia before moving abroad and then you've got the England or nothing mentality here with players unwilling to go abroad to European leagues. Another thing to change is the way underage international teams are ran here and look to follow the Belgian approach

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

God help us when the next manager is appointed. Now that DOB has taken his money and left, do you really think that a certain individual will fork out for a top manager?  It will be Alan Pardew or a 500/1 outside bet foreigner or Robbie Keane.

We are doomed. Doomed I tells ya!

Could have Pep and he still wouldn't make a difference. How much influence would international managers have, how much time would they spend working with players in camps? FAI have a couple of good coaches working with the 17s and 19s at the moment and should look at moving them up to 19s and 21s as the players get older and then onto the senior team. They'd cost you pennies and probably get the same results as someone looking to make a quick buck out of international management  while looking for a new club after being sacked by his 4th or 5th club in England.


Nonsense.   What a cop out. More than enough time to get basics and set pieces right.  If that were the case every international side would be all over the gaff.

Which is what thousands of coachs around the world do even at professional teams as they'll help coach the teams while some managers aren't that hands on in the training ground. Iceland haven't done too bad with their part time dentist/coach they installed as senior team manager.
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

The likes of Hajduk, Dinamo, Rijeka etc are all big clubs in a sense who have really good academies in place. 

If we had a strong domestic league, I have no doubt if it was ran correctly and there were plenty of investment pumped into it we would soon seen the benefits.

It has nothing to do with a strong domestic league. Their best team, Dinamo Zagreb, get hockeyed every time they make the European Cup group stage. Like our players, their best players flee the country at the first opportunity. Two years ago, they went out of the Euros the day before we did. Four years ago, they went out of the World Cup at the group stage. While they joined us on the first plane home in 2012, as like us, they couldn't beat the finalists either.

What they have today, is a gameplan. They don't go out to nick a point, and they don't panic every time they concede. They just restart and stick to their game plan. They won all their group games, and they fought back from adversity in the knockout stages. We wouldn't win all our group games, and as we saw in November, (and the last Euros) once we concede, chaos takes over. Croatia went one down at home to Greece in the playoff, dusted themselves down and won 4-1. There's the difference now between us and them.
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Yeah, that and Modric, Rakitic, Perisic, Mandzukic, Brozovic etc.

Any of whom would instantly be our best player if they were Irish.
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

The likes of Hajduk, Dinamo, Rijeka etc are all big clubs in a sense who have really good academies in place. 

If we had a strong domestic league, I have no doubt if it was ran correctly and there were plenty of investment pumped into it we would soon seen the benefits.

It has nothing to do with a strong domestic league. Their best team, Dinamo Zagreb, get hockeyed every time they make the European Cup group stage. Like our players, their best players flee the country at the first opportunity. Two years ago, they went out of the Euros the day before we did. Four years ago, they went out of the World Cup at the group stage. While they joined us on the first plane home in 2012, as like us, they couldn't beat the finalists either.

What they have today, is a gameplan. They don't go out to nick a point, and they don't panic every time they concede. They just restart and stick to their game plan. They won all their group games, and they fought back from adversity in the knockout stages. We wouldn't win all our group games, and as we saw in November, (and the last Euros) once we concede, chaos takes over. Croatia went one down at home to Greece in the playoff, dusted themselves down and won 4-1. There's the difference now between us and them.

Subasic left at Croatia at 27.
Kramaric left Croatia at 24.
Vida left Croatia at 24. (spent one season abroad at 21 only to return)
Manduzkic left Croatia at 24.
Brozovic left Croatia at 22.
Modric left Croatia at 22.
Lovren left Croatia at 21.
Corluka left Croatia at 21.
Vrsalijko left Croatia at 21.

So you couldn't be any further from the truth.

Most of our young top prospects leave Ireland between ages 14,15,16 so you're miles off with the suggestion that Croatian players flee at the first opportunity.

Also, the top prospects in the Croatian league go for millions while the best players in our league go for peanuts, so don't give this bullsh*t that a strong domestic league hasn't played any part in their success it has.

Most of the top flights clubs in Croatia have excellent academies. 


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Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

Yeah, that and Modric, Rakitic, Perisic, Mandzukic, Brozovic etc.

Any of whom would instantly be our best player if they were Irish.
Any of them? Their substitute goalkeeper would be our best midfielder!
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

[QUOTE=planning]
Subasic left at Croatia at 27.
Kramaric left Croatia at 24.
Vida left Croatia at 24. (spent one season abroad at 21 only to return)
Manduzkic left Croatia at 24.
Brozovic left Croatia at 22.
Modric left Croatia at 22.
Lovren left Croatia at 21.
Corluka left Croatia at 21.
Vrsalijko left Croatia at 21.

So you couldn't be any further from the truth.

Most of our young top prospects leave Ireland between ages 14,15,16 so you're miles off with the suggestion that Croatian players flee at the first opportunity.

Also, the top prospects in the Croatian league go for millions while the best players in our league go for peanuts, so don't give this bullsh*t that a strong domestic league hasn't played any part in their success it has.

Most of the top flights clubs in Croatia have excellent academies. 

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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

Yeah, that and Modric, Rakitic, Perisic, Mandzukic, Brozovic etc.

Any of whom would instantly be our best player if they were Irish.
Any of them? Their substitute goalkeeper would be our best midfielder!
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you could put all possible resources into LoI football, but given the slightest whiff, the players will be on the boat to any number of English or even Scottish cities. 

We need to make the players want to develop the league. Not those administrators. 

I don’t know how to address that. 
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The league is actually in a pretty decent place with regards to young talent at the moment, plenty of promising players getting game time.
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