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Maccatacca
Ray Houghton Joined: 01 Jun 2016 Status: Offline Points: 4208 |
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What’s this got to do with Northern Ireland?
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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They didn't, he walked away because of the media. A very different thing entirely.
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E2016
Liam Brady Joined: 13 Jan 2016 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 1742 |
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Apologies. I was wrong.
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Pipkin
Liam Brady Joined: 07 May 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1975 |
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Just like it didn’t take long for the boom to come back, those outlandish predictions from Euro 2012 raise their heads 6 years later
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Icy Bread People
500 Club la la la Joined: 31 Mar 2015 Status: Offline Points: 564 |
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I remember so many people thinking we'd get something out of the Croatia game and the Italy game was a gimme! How wrong we were...
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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"Few managers have the experience of a World Cup that O'Neill has"
This has left me scratching my head a bit!
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The Huntacha
Roy Keane Joined: 27 Mar 2012 Location: Dubai Status: Offline Points: 12760 |
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+1
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Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic."
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BriMurt
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 14 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 311 |
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What else is there to do in the days before a big tournament starts but believe in your chances? That's part of the mad romance of these big tournaments. Mad romances are often illogical, given to passion, feature some heavy drinking, and crash head first into the wall of reality. But maybe the glum disappointment and cynicism that follows is worth the times where we were happy & believed anything was possible...
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Online Points: 10547 |
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I actually think the way to get to the bottom of our issues and problems in the last Qualification campaign ought to include an appreciation of the "rub of the green" factor which was so prevalent in the campaign. Starting with Hendrick's goal against Serbia, and continuing on with the red cards for Taylor and Maksimovic, the combination of the Georgian keeper and the referee for Duffy's goal in Tiblisi, even Schmeichel's mistake that had us with one foot in the final's for 30 minutes or so. Apart from Duffy's goal that was chalked off against Austria, we were generally the beneficiary of team errors and refereeing decisions. Wales was a different type of luck. Its not belittling the win to admit that we benefitted from not having to face an £80 Million player who has won four European Cups, and was central to Wales getting to the Euro 2016 Semi Finals, likewise to admit that Joe Allen was influencing the game greatly before he went off in Cardiff, or that we met Ashley Williams at a time when he was struggling to maintain form. Coleman would never have permitted what unfolded against Denmark, but at the same time, would he have been able to turn the 1-2 reversal at Half time in a manner that you would expect Bale to do? You beat what is in front of you, and you make the breaks, but we certainly enjoyed an unprecedented rub of the green, and since Gary McKay scored against Bulgaria in 1987, we have regularly enjoyed the rub of the green, and Cardiff was no exception.
The thing is, Ireland have shown resilience. Germany and Italy are two examples. They didnt go a goal down, but they needed wins in both games, and they achieved that. The bulk of those players are still around the squad. But since then, we have resorted to a 4-5-1 style approach which place Duffy-Meyler-Walters/Murphy at the forefront of the system. Against Denmark, the correct substitutions to have made would not have been to have taken out the last vestiges of a weak midfield, and put four wingers across the middled, thus emaciating the midfield. By by-passing midfield you are weakening the team as it falls entirely on a Route 1 approach to do all the work. Northern Ireland show what you can do with a proper system, even with journeymen style players. Australia, Iran, Saudi Arabia have all shown various amounts of resilience. Iceland are a great example, and the entire apparatus of Icelandic football should be watched closely.
Perhaps. But so many teams get by without a Worldy. Our team has enough to compete, but it needs a system which maximises our best assets. Isolating a tall, and slightly immobile striker from a five man midfield is not the way to go, while playing a long ball game, and relying on Shane Duffy to repel everything else, and having somebody like David Meyler do the rest at the base of a redundant midfield. Look, I understand that we dont have a team of world beaters. I would like to have see Brady become our target man since 2016, or James McCarthy go from strength to strength in a post-Glenn Whelan environment, but that has not happened for a number of reasons, including injury. But with Coleman, Brady, Judge and McCarthy on the way back, Declan Rice making waves at Club and Country level, Sean Maguire proving he can score in the Championship, we should be at least able to match our counterparts in the North.
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Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Offline Points: 39780 |
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I am convinced we would have been a disaster with MON in charge. I think maybe with a manager who has some clue about tactics we would have been a respectable failure as opposed to a shambles.
We are falling further and further behind imo.
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Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more...
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Daragho
Davey Langan Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 805 |
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The World Cup is continuing to demonstrate that with a good manager and a good plan, ordinary players can rise above what would normally be considered their level and compete.
What is continually being demonstrated in Ireland matches is that our manager is failing to put together a cohesive 11 players that can do this. It's not about population bases, it's not about playing like Barcelona/Spain etc., it's simply about this.
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Jack Charlton Man City records obsession Joined: 20 Mar 2012 Location: Dundalk Status: Offline Points: 9647 |
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You can beat MON up for a lot of things but you can’t use Euro2012 to beat him with.
His only tournament was only 2 years ago and we did quite well in it. He generally does better against the stronger teams. Look at the results over the last 4 years against the better team. Now the football would be awful but we wouldn’t be embarrassed. |
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Floreat Ultonia
500 Club la la la Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Location: Dudley, England Status: Offline Points: 733 |
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Just giving context to the previous poster's claim that you "rarely" lose by more than one goal.
You have matched us- records since WC 2014 are almost identical. Your problem seems to be that while both the Euro and World Cup Finals are now less elitist than they were- a lot more mediocre teams take part, basically- the qualifiers for the latter are still pretty tough.
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Fruice
Liam Brady Joined: 22 Nov 2014 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
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And we have qualified for 2 tournaments in that time and the north have got to 1 just putting some context on it.
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Floreat Ultonia
500 Club la la la Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Location: Dudley, England Status: Offline Points: 733 |
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Fruice- indeed. You were a lot better than us 6 or 7 years ago. Now we're pretty much similar in standard, as I said.
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Fruice
Liam Brady Joined: 22 Nov 2014 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
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We're both bad now!!
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Floreat Ultonia
500 Club la la la Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Location: Dudley, England Status: Offline Points: 733 |
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@Fruice: Wales, Czechia, Austria, Norway, Greece and Scotland might disagree...
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9fingers
Paul McGrath Ballymun Resident #MONKEANO Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 16138 |
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Eh he went to Brazil with the BBC 4 years ago!
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