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What difference does it make if a TD is a landlord or not? A lot of people rent for different reasons and that means there needs to be rental properties which means landlords. Not as if TD's are Canadian Pension funds with 1000's of properties. A lot of TD's might have had an investment property before going into politics. An investment property was a very popular pension option for self employed people and just a good investment for PAYE.
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Originally posted by sausy sausy wrote:

What difference does it make if a TD is a landlord or not? A lot of people rent for different reasons and that means there needs to be rental properties which means landlords. Not as if TD's are Canadian Pension funds with 1000's of properties. A lot of TD's might have had an investment property before going into politics. An investment property was a very popular pension option for self employed people and just a good investment for PAYE.
That's not the disucssion. Nobodyy's objecting to TD's or anyone being landlords.

The grey area is when so many of them are landlords, should they be the ones voting on laws that govern renting.

There's an argument that any TD's who have landlords have a conflict of interest and should be excluded from votes on rent caps etc.
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by sausy sausy wrote:

What difference does it make if a TD is a landlord or not? A lot of people rent for different reasons and that means there needs to be rental properties which means landlords. Not as if TD's are Canadian Pension funds with 1000's of properties. A lot of TD's might have had an investment property before going into politics. An investment property was a very popular pension option for self employed people and just a good investment for PAYE.
That's not the disucssion. Nobodyy's objecting to TD's or anyone being landlords.

The grey area is when so many of them are landlords, should they be the ones voting on laws that govern renting.

There's an argument that any TD's who have landlords have a conflict of interest and should be excluded from votes on rent caps etc.

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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by sausy sausy wrote:

What difference does it make if a TD is a landlord or not? A lot of people rent for different reasons and that means there needs to be rental properties which means landlords. Not as if TD's are Canadian Pension funds with 1000's of properties. A lot of TD's might have had an investment property before going into politics. An investment property was a very popular pension option for self employed people and just a good investment for PAYE.
That's not the disucssion. Nobodyy's objecting to TD's or anyone being landlords.

The grey area is when so many of them are landlords, should they be the ones voting on laws that govern renting.

There's an argument that any TD's who have landlords have a conflict of interest and should be excluded from votes on rent caps etc.

By that logic a TD that is a renter is also a vested interest. Probably a more palatable and popular one to the public but the principle is the same nonetheless.  
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TDs pay income tax and VAT so by the logic here they shouldn’t vote on those either. They also have kids in college sometimes so shouldn’t set fees etc etc. it’s a ridiculous line of reasoning. 

A conflict of interest only exists if there is a close connection between the subject of a law and the TD which given general nature of legislation is exceptionally rare. 

If a TD votes for something you don’t like and you think they are being self serving then vote for someone else at the next election.  
 
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Originally posted by BrenC BrenC wrote:

TDs pay income tax and VAT so by the logic here they shouldn’t vote on those either. They also have kids in college sometimes so shouldn’t set fees etc etc. it’s a ridiculous line of reasoning. 

A conflict of interest only exists if there is a close connection between the subject of a law and the TD which given general nature of legislation is exceptionally rare. 

If a TD votes for something you don’t like and you think they are being self serving then vote for someone else at the next election.  
 
Things are far from perfect but there is no income tax/vat/college fee crisis at the moment, there is a housing crisis on an island riddled with empty property. I can understand if you are a property owner or potential property owner you would vote for ff/fg to maintain your property value but those people are dwindling. Surely there is a solution where everybody can win? regardless of what political party is in power. Ill ask again, does anybody know if there is a government body/office in charge of locating the unknown owners of these empty properties?
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Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:

Originally posted by BrenC BrenC wrote:

TDs pay income tax and VAT so by the logic here they shouldn’t vote on those either. They also have kids in college sometimes so shouldn’t set fees etc etc. it’s a ridiculous line of reasoning. 

A conflict of interest only exists if there is a close connection between the subject of a law and the TD which given general nature of legislation is exceptionally rare. 

If a TD votes for something you don’t like and you think they are being self serving then vote for someone else at the next election.  
 
Things are far from perfect but there is no income tax/vat/college fee crisis at the moment, there is a housing crisis on an island riddled with empty property. I can understand if you are a property owner or potential property owner you would vote for ff/fg to maintain your property value but those people are dwindling. Surely there is a solution where everybody can win? regardless of what political party is in power. Ill ask again, does anybody know if there is a government body/office in charge of locating the unknown owners of these empty properties?

the Housing Agency is tasked with it. they are working in cahoots with local authorities to CPO vacant properties. the minister has set a target of 2.5k properties to be flipped in the next 2.5 years.

i know of a couple of vacant properties in my own town which have already been CPO'd this year.


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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:

Originally posted by BrenC BrenC wrote:

TDs pay income tax and VAT so by the logic here they shouldn’t vote on those either. They also have kids in college sometimes so shouldn’t set fees etc etc. it’s a ridiculous line of reasoning. 

A conflict of interest only exists if there is a close connection between the subject of a law and the TD which given general nature of legislation is exceptionally rare. 

If a TD votes for something you don’t like and you think they are being self serving then vote for someone else at the next election.  
 
Things are far from perfect but there is no income tax/vat/college fee crisis at the moment, there is a housing crisis on an island riddled with empty property. I can understand if you are a property owner or potential property owner you would vote for ff/fg to maintain your property value but those people are dwindling. Surely there is a solution where everybody can win? regardless of what political party is in power. Ill ask again, does anybody know if there is a government body/office in charge of locating the unknown owners of these empty properties?

the Housing Agency is tasked with it. they are working in cahoots with local authorities to CPO vacant properties. the minister has set a target of 2.5k properties to be flipped in the next 2.5 years.

i know of a couple of vacant properties in my own town which have already been CPO'd this year.
Thanks for the information, what is CPO? What do they do when they find out who owns it?
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Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:

Originally posted by BrenC BrenC wrote:

TDs pay income tax and VAT so by the logic here they shouldn’t vote on those either. They also have kids in college sometimes so shouldn’t set fees etc etc. it’s a ridiculous line of reasoning. 

A conflict of interest only exists if there is a close connection between the subject of a law and the TD which given general nature of legislation is exceptionally rare. 

If a TD votes for something you don’t like and you think they are being self serving then vote for someone else at the next election.  
 
Things are far from perfect but there is no income tax/vat/college fee crisis at the moment, there is a housing crisis on an island riddled with empty property. I can understand if you are a property owner or potential property owner you would vote for ff/fg to maintain your property value but those people are dwindling. Surely there is a solution where everybody can win? regardless of what political party is in power. Ill ask again, does anybody know if there is a government body/office in charge of locating the unknown owners of these empty properties?

the Housing Agency is tasked with it. they are working in cahoots with local authorities to CPO vacant properties. the minister has set a target of 2.5k properties to be flipped in the next 2.5 years.

i know of a couple of vacant properties in my own town which have already been CPO'd this year.
Thanks for the information, what is CPO? What do they do when they find out who owns it?

Compulsory Purchase Order. Basically forcing the sale of the property to the state at market rates.

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Cheers that answered a lot, do you know how big/many people are in charge of finding these properties? According to the articles linked here there are roughly 200000 empty properties, does anybody know what percentage of those empty properties have unknown landlords?
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Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:

Cheers that answered a lot, do you know how big/many people are in charge of finding these properties? According to the articles linked here there are roughly 200000 empty properties, does anybody know what percentage of those empty properties have unknown landlords?
 
All folios are with either the Land Registry or Registry of Deeds so not hard to find out who owns what. Not sure if you're looking to find out who owns a specific property or want to know if there is a team trying to identify the owners off all the 200k you mentioned.
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Originally posted by sausy sausy wrote:

Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:

Cheers that answered a lot, do you know how big/many people are in charge of finding these properties? According to the articles linked here there are roughly 200000 empty properties, does anybody know what percentage of those empty properties have unknown landlords?
 
All folios are with either the Land Registry or Registry of Deeds so not hard to find out who owns what. Not sure if you're looking to find out who owns a specific property or want to know if there is a team trying to identify the owners off all the 200k you mentioned.
Thats what I thought but apparently it is difficult finding out who owns many of these empty properties, thats why I am trying to find out roughly the size of the team that is working on it
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Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:

Originally posted by sausy sausy wrote:

Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:

Cheers that answered a lot, do you know how big/many people are in charge of finding these properties? According to the articles linked here there are roughly 200000 empty properties, does anybody know what percentage of those empty properties have unknown landlords?
 
All folios are with either the Land Registry or Registry of Deeds so not hard to find out who owns what. Not sure if you're looking to find out who owns a specific property or want to know if there is a team trying to identify the owners off all the 200k you mentioned.
Thats what I thought but apparently it is difficult finding out who owns many of these empty properties, thats why I am trying to find out roughly the size of the team that is working on it

no idea.

the cso have released preliminary findings from the recent census. 167k vacant properties which excludes holiday homes. looks like leitrim is the place to go if you're looking to buy a vacant property.




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Aren't most of these empty homes in places where there isn't a homelessness crisis?

I'm not sure many people want to be uprooted and shipped to rural Mayo, Leitrim or Roscommon. Although I could be wrong.

There are a ball of empty properties in the centre of Castlebar, and Claremorris and Swinford where I work. It would be fantastic to see them occupied, it would be great for struggling town centres to have people living there. 


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They are more pushing to get the houses renovated and if that means a tax on empty properties to force some owners to comply then that's what they look to do. 

There must be hundreds of 1st time buyers that would like to move into Castlebar, Claremorris or Swinford, and that in turn regenerates small towns. 

It wouldn't surprise me if half the empty houses were down to family disputes over damned land and over my dead body you'll not get it LOL


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I'd be all for a use it or lose it law!! CPO the f**kers. Properties on main streets deteriorating and, in some cases, having to have netting installed to stop falling pieces from hitting pedestrians. Absolutely ridiculous.
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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

I'd be all for a use it or lose it law!! CPO the f**kers. Properties on main streets deteriorating and, in some cases, having to have netting installed to stop falling pieces from hitting pedestrians. Absolutely ridiculous.

Yes many rural town centres have a wild west ghost town feel to them due to the amount of rotting empty properties
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