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Originally posted by sausy sausy wrote:

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Cheers that answered a lot, do you know how big/many people are in charge of finding these properties? According to the articles linked here there are roughly 200000 empty properties, does anybody know what percentage of those empty properties have unknown landlords?
 
All folios are with either the Land Registry or Registry of Deeds so not hard to find out who owns what. Not sure if you're looking to find out who owns a specific property or want to know if there is a team trying to identify the owners off all the 200k you mentioned.
Thats what I thought but apparently it is difficult finding out who owns many of these empty properties, thats why I am trying to find out roughly the size of the team that is working on it
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Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:

Cheers that answered a lot, do you know how big/many people are in charge of finding these properties? According to the articles linked here there are roughly 200000 empty properties, does anybody know what percentage of those empty properties have unknown landlords?
 
All folios are with either the Land Registry or Registry of Deeds so not hard to find out who owns what. Not sure if you're looking to find out who owns a specific property or want to know if there is a team trying to identify the owners off all the 200k you mentioned.
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Cheers that answered a lot, do you know how big/many people are in charge of finding these properties? According to the articles linked here there are roughly 200000 empty properties, does anybody know what percentage of those empty properties have unknown landlords?
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Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:

Originally posted by BrenC BrenC wrote:

TDs pay income tax and VAT so by the logic here they shouldn’t vote on those either. They also have kids in college sometimes so shouldn’t set fees etc etc. it’s a ridiculous line of reasoning. 

A conflict of interest only exists if there is a close connection between the subject of a law and the TD which given general nature of legislation is exceptionally rare. 

If a TD votes for something you don’t like and you think they are being self serving then vote for someone else at the next election.  
 
Things are far from perfect but there is no income tax/vat/college fee crisis at the moment, there is a housing crisis on an island riddled with empty property. I can understand if you are a property owner or potential property owner you would vote for ff/fg to maintain your property value but those people are dwindling. Surely there is a solution where everybody can win? regardless of what political party is in power. Ill ask again, does anybody know if there is a government body/office in charge of locating the unknown owners of these empty properties?

the Housing Agency is tasked with it. they are working in cahoots with local authorities to CPO vacant properties. the minister has set a target of 2.5k properties to be flipped in the next 2.5 years.

i know of a couple of vacant properties in my own town which have already been CPO'd this year.
Thanks for the information, what is CPO? What do they do when they find out who owns it?

Compulsory Purchase Order. Basically forcing the sale of the property to the state at market rates.

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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:

Originally posted by BrenC BrenC wrote:

TDs pay income tax and VAT so by the logic here they shouldn’t vote on those either. They also have kids in college sometimes so shouldn’t set fees etc etc. it’s a ridiculous line of reasoning. 

A conflict of interest only exists if there is a close connection between the subject of a law and the TD which given general nature of legislation is exceptionally rare. 

If a TD votes for something you don’t like and you think they are being self serving then vote for someone else at the next election.  
 
Things are far from perfect but there is no income tax/vat/college fee crisis at the moment, there is a housing crisis on an island riddled with empty property. I can understand if you are a property owner or potential property owner you would vote for ff/fg to maintain your property value but those people are dwindling. Surely there is a solution where everybody can win? regardless of what political party is in power. Ill ask again, does anybody know if there is a government body/office in charge of locating the unknown owners of these empty properties?

the Housing Agency is tasked with it. they are working in cahoots with local authorities to CPO vacant properties. the minister has set a target of 2.5k properties to be flipped in the next 2.5 years.

i know of a couple of vacant properties in my own town which have already been CPO'd this year.
Thanks for the information, what is CPO? What do they do when they find out who owns it?
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Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:

Originally posted by BrenC BrenC wrote:

TDs pay income tax and VAT so by the logic here they shouldn’t vote on those either. They also have kids in college sometimes so shouldn’t set fees etc etc. it’s a ridiculous line of reasoning. 

A conflict of interest only exists if there is a close connection between the subject of a law and the TD which given general nature of legislation is exceptionally rare. 

If a TD votes for something you don’t like and you think they are being self serving then vote for someone else at the next election.  
 
Things are far from perfect but there is no income tax/vat/college fee crisis at the moment, there is a housing crisis on an island riddled with empty property. I can understand if you are a property owner or potential property owner you would vote for ff/fg to maintain your property value but those people are dwindling. Surely there is a solution where everybody can win? regardless of what political party is in power. Ill ask again, does anybody know if there is a government body/office in charge of locating the unknown owners of these empty properties?

the Housing Agency is tasked with it. they are working in cahoots with local authorities to CPO vacant properties. the minister has set a target of 2.5k properties to be flipped in the next 2.5 years.

i know of a couple of vacant properties in my own town which have already been CPO'd this year.


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Originally posted by BrenC BrenC wrote:

TDs pay income tax and VAT so by the logic here they shouldn’t vote on those either. They also have kids in college sometimes so shouldn’t set fees etc etc. it’s a ridiculous line of reasoning. 

A conflict of interest only exists if there is a close connection between the subject of a law and the TD which given general nature of legislation is exceptionally rare. 

If a TD votes for something you don’t like and you think they are being self serving then vote for someone else at the next election.  
 
Things are far from perfect but there is no income tax/vat/college fee crisis at the moment, there is a housing crisis on an island riddled with empty property. I can understand if you are a property owner or potential property owner you would vote for ff/fg to maintain your property value but those people are dwindling. Surely there is a solution where everybody can win? regardless of what political party is in power. Ill ask again, does anybody know if there is a government body/office in charge of locating the unknown owners of these empty properties?
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TDs pay income tax and VAT so by the logic here they shouldn’t vote on those either. They also have kids in college sometimes so shouldn’t set fees etc etc. it’s a ridiculous line of reasoning. 

A conflict of interest only exists if there is a close connection between the subject of a law and the TD which given general nature of legislation is exceptionally rare. 

If a TD votes for something you don’t like and you think they are being self serving then vote for someone else at the next election.  
 
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by sausy sausy wrote:

What difference does it make if a TD is a landlord or not? A lot of people rent for different reasons and that means there needs to be rental properties which means landlords. Not as if TD's are Canadian Pension funds with 1000's of properties. A lot of TD's might have had an investment property before going into politics. An investment property was a very popular pension option for self employed people and just a good investment for PAYE.
That's not the disucssion. Nobodyy's objecting to TD's or anyone being landlords.

The grey area is when so many of them are landlords, should they be the ones voting on laws that govern renting.

There's an argument that any TD's who have landlords have a conflict of interest and should be excluded from votes on rent caps etc.

By that logic a TD that is a renter is also a vested interest. Probably a more palatable and popular one to the public but the principle is the same nonetheless.  
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by sausy sausy wrote:

What difference does it make if a TD is a landlord or not? A lot of people rent for different reasons and that means there needs to be rental properties which means landlords. Not as if TD's are Canadian Pension funds with 1000's of properties. A lot of TD's might have had an investment property before going into politics. An investment property was a very popular pension option for self employed people and just a good investment for PAYE.
That's not the disucssion. Nobodyy's objecting to TD's or anyone being landlords.

The grey area is when so many of them are landlords, should they be the ones voting on laws that govern renting.

There's an argument that any TD's who have landlords have a conflict of interest and should be excluded from votes on rent caps etc.

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Originally posted by sausy sausy wrote:

What difference does it make if a TD is a landlord or not? A lot of people rent for different reasons and that means there needs to be rental properties which means landlords. Not as if TD's are Canadian Pension funds with 1000's of properties. A lot of TD's might have had an investment property before going into politics. An investment property was a very popular pension option for self employed people and just a good investment for PAYE.
That's not the disucssion. Nobodyy's objecting to TD's or anyone being landlords.

The grey area is when so many of them are landlords, should they be the ones voting on laws that govern renting.

There's an argument that any TD's who have landlords have a conflict of interest and should be excluded from votes on rent caps etc.
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What difference does it make if a TD is a landlord or not? A lot of people rent for different reasons and that means there needs to be rental properties which means landlords. Not as if TD's are Canadian Pension funds with 1000's of properties. A lot of TD's might have had an investment property before going into politics. An investment property was a very popular pension option for self employed people and just a good investment for PAYE.
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[/QUOTE]Yeah big problem alright, goverment have tried a few things to get people to renovate (regenerate ireland scheme) or sell these (property tax), but in a lot of cases they literally can't find who owns buildings.

Not sure how ya do it really, do ya force reclaim property after 5 years?
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Since reading this comment I have spoken to a few people who fully agree about not knowing who owns many properties, is there a government body/office set up to try and find out who owns these empty buildings?
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

Almost sure Matt Cooper said on the radio that 1 in 4 Fine Gael TDs are landlords.
One in four TD's as a whole are landlords

All of Haughey's backhander money passed on. Great to see people still voting for the Haughey.
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Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

Almost sure Matt Cooper said on the radio that 1 in 4 Fine Gael TDs are landlords.
One in four TD's as a whole are landlords

Thank you, that was the general info I was looking for. I am from Dublin but I live in rural Ireland at the moment. The amount of empty property around the place is astonishing. Are people generally aware of this?
Yeah big problem alright, goverment have tried a few things to get people to renovate (regenerate ireland scheme) or sell these (property tax), but in a lot of cases they literally can't find who owns buildings.

Not sure how ya do it really, do ya force reclaim property after 5 years?
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Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

Almost sure Matt Cooper said on the radio that 1 in 4 Fine Gael TDs are landlords.
One in four TD's as a whole are landlords

Thank you, that was the general info I was looking for. I am from Dublin but I live in rural Ireland at the moment. The amount of empty property around the place is astonishing. Are people generally aware of this?

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Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

Richard Bruton is worth over 6million, of which property is worth about half of his worth. 


Born into it sure (like the rest). His aul boy was a huge beef farmer and made a killing in pet food AFAIK


that was albert reynolds

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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

Almost sure Matt Cooper said on the radio that 1 in 4 Fine Gael TDs are landlords.
One in four TD's as a whole are landlords

Thank you, that was the general info I was looking for. I am from Dublin but I live in rural Ireland at the moment. The amount of empty property around the place is astonishing. Are people generally aware of this?
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