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Poll Question: Will we qualify for the Euros?
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Switzerland effectively have 13 points. They have 4 points already and they will almost certainly beat Gibraltar home and away and Georgia at home. Denmark effectively have 11 points. They have 5 points already and they will almost certainly beat Gibraltar home and away. Considering the above the key games remaining in the group excluding Ireland are Georgia Vs Denmark and Denmark Vs Switzerland. Hopefully Georgia can frustrate the Danes but if we can pull off a victory against the Swiss than that would leave them in a precious position since they have to play Denmark away. I actually think we have a better chance of sneaking a victory against the Swiss than the Danes. The Danes and us know each other too well. It goes without saying that Georgia away is a must win and we'll probably have to muster 4 points from the 3 games against Switzerland and Denmark. It's difficult but not impossible.
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Another 22 days of this stuff
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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

I'm not effectively saying we had no chance before the group started, I am definitively saying we had no chance before the group started. 

The Swiss are far better than us. The Danes are also, and us snatching a draw in a game we could easily have been hammered in doesn't change that for me. Also on this forum, everyone seems to be looking to the home Denmark game at the end where no matter what we should have a mathematical chance of qualifying. By then I reckon the Danes will be qualified, quite possibly sitting top. People do realise that drew away to the Swiss don't they?

Well you clearly aren't paying much attention to the evidence then, are you? We've played Georgia countless times over the last decade, and although it's rarely comfortable, in the majority of cases we win. Therefore, it's quite likely we'll win again.

Similarly with the Danes, we've drawn with them 4 of the last 5 times we've played. The only occasion we've been beaten was when our manager absolutely lost the plot and threw away our gameplan. I think we can all agree Mick is unlikely to lose the plot in the same way, and thus the completely logical conclusion is that we'll draw again.

Finally onto the Swiss. The Swiss are a good side, but it's extremely rare any side ever takes 6 points off us, and god knows far better than this Swiss side have tried and failed. There is nothing in Switzerland's form to suggest they are capable of easily dismantling a decent, well organised side like ourselves. Similarly, there's nothing in our form that suggests we're going to be swept aside by a side of Switzerland's calibre. They are, at the end of the day, basically just a better version of us; physical, solid, and well organised, but severely lacking in cutting edge. It's actually a game that you could quite easily see becoming a bit of a stalemate, with neither side really able to break the other down. Like who is it in the Swiss line up that you expect to just cut us apart? Shaqiri? Maybe, but he's incredibly inconsistent. I'd be surprised if he did it in one match, and I'd be absolutely astounded if he did it in two against us.

All in all, your statement that we're absolutely doomed and always have been is nothing short of nonsensical. It's simply not grounded in the reality of what we have seen before.
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Lads are gas. Denmark have proven bar the freak 5-1 game that they are about our level . Realistically they are better but not by much. Take an injury or suspension to Erickson and the playing field is level. At home I’d fancy us.
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Draw V Swiss at home, Win to Georgia away, Loss V Swiss away, Draw V Denmark home. Where would that leave us ? 

Would that leave us depending on the remaining Den V Swiss game, ie presuming they won all their other games V Gib & Georgia, we would be looking for a winner in that Den V Swiss game to finish 2nd ? Or lose out on same points but H2H or GD in 3rd should that be a draw ? 


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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

Draw V Swiss at home, Win to Georgia away, Loss V Swiss away, Draw V Denmark home. Where would that leave us ? 

Would that leave us depending on the remaining Den V Swiss game, ie presuming they won all their other games V Gib & Georgia, we would be looking for a winner in that Den V Swiss game to finish 2nd ? Or lose out on same points but H2H or GD in 3rd should that be a draw ? 




We are currently on 10 points. That would put us on 15 points...

Denmark are on 5 points right now. If they win both v Gib and win v Georgia, that leaves them on 14, plus one v us, so 15, assuming they lose to the Swiss.

Switzerland are on 4 points right now. If they win both v Gib, win v Georgia, and get 4 v us, that leaves them on 17 points, not counting the result away to Denmark.

In that case, we'd need Switzerland to win in Denmark and we'd either need to draw 0-0 with the Danes or draw 1-1 and beat them on goal difference (not likely).

Those results are very unlikely to see us through: without a win v Georgia away and at least three points v the Swiss, we are almost certainly going to have to beat Denmark. We probably need 16 points heading into that game for a draw to be enough; otherwise, the chances of qualifying with a draw v the Danes are basically nil. If we have 16 points heading into that game, though, we only need the Danes to drop points once between now and then for a draw to be enough for us. However, they are quite likely going to have at least 14 before coming here, if not more. They are effectively on 11 already, before they come to Dublin, with the chance of extra points v Switzerland at home and Georgia away. The chances of us being above them before they come to Dublin are slim.


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Originally posted by Pauldaly1984 Pauldaly1984 wrote:

Lads are gas. Denmark have proven bar the freak 5-1 game that they are about our level . Realistically they are better but not by much. Take an injury or suspension to Erickson and the playing field is level. At home I’d fancy us.
That would be Denmark who have been consistently better than us in all those games that we have doggedly hung on in most of them? Denmark who got to the last 16 in the World Cup and won our NL group?
Ajax have struggled against Heracles in recent games, Celtic against Motherwell etc. Denmark’s underperformance against us and the inability to finish us off, bar the game where they clicked and. We collapsed, says more about them than us.

As I said before, I feel their manager should have at least had an uncomfortable meeting after our last match, but could have had no complaints if he was sacked. In the same way that MON really started feeling the criticism after our draw in Georgia.
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Originally posted by GB 1HughJarse GB 1HughJarse wrote:

Another 22 days of this stuff

Only 22 days till our next game but 95 days until the end of the campaign. A long way of conspiracys and sh*te talk to go yet.  
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if we beat swiss at home then we qualify imo 
if we draw then we are already in trouble but not out. 
most likely we will draw

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Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

if we beat swiss at home then we qualify imo 
if we draw then we are already in trouble but not out. 
most likely we will draw

If we beat the Swiss at home I will vote Tory.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

if we beat swiss at home then we qualify imo 
if we draw then we are already in trouble but not out. 
most likely we will draw

If we beat the Swiss at home I will vote Tory.

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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

if we beat swiss at home then we qualify imo 
if we draw then we are already in trouble but not out. 
most likely we will draw

If we beat the Swiss at home I will vote Tory.

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Both teams are significantly better than us. Would think it would take something special for us to get something out of the Swiss away game, home games probably two draws.

What does work in our favour is our consistency, we have to be one of the most consistent non-elite teams in Europe at staying in or around the same level, barring the result in the second leg against Denmark two years ago. It's why we've meandered through groups beating the lower teams, drawing against the bigger teams and 'hoping results elsewhere go our way' which they almost always do, because one team either plays out of their skin (Armenia suddenly becoming the best team in the world back in 2011) or another team sh*ts the bed entirely (Scotland, Austria, Wales the list goes on). If we stay at the level we have done for years, we have a chance of one of those teams having an off day, such as Denmark in the first 84 minutes against the Swiss, or the Swiss in the last 6 minutes of the same game.

You don't actually have to be that good to succeed in international football. Organisation and discipline will take you very far. We lost that in the end under MON - or probably more accurately, our neglect of it eventually showed under MON.

We will be in with a shout in the last game at home to Denmark. It'll probably be needing a win. But beating Georgia away (provided we do it) will put us almost in that position already. Denmark failing to beat us at home is a big opportunity lost for them, and them and the Swiss still have to play each other again.

Having said all that, i still think the likeliest scenario is we go into Denmark at home needing a win, which we ultimately fail to get.


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Are Switzerland or Denmark better then Germany when we beat them in 2015? Don't think so.
We're probably the same standard as we were back then.
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Originally posted by darmack darmack wrote:

Are Switzerland or Denmark better then Germany when we beat them in 2015? Don't think so.
We're probably the same standard as we were back then.
Stranger things have happened. 
We are nowhere near where we were then! Even if it was an average enough Irish side.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by darmack darmack wrote:

Are Switzerland or Denmark better then Germany when we beat them in 2015? Don't think so.
We're probably the same standard as we were back then.
Stranger things have happened. 
We are nowhere near where we were then! Even if it was an average enough Irish side.

In fairness, the team we had out that night was very weak. a long-since past it given in goal (replaced by Randolph in his competitive debut), Christie at RB, Keogh (probably better then), an over-the-hill O'Shea, Ward, Hendrick, McCarthy, Brady, Hoolahan, Daryl Murphy, Jon Walters.

Keogh is probably the only one who was better then than he is now. Brady and hendrick were inconsistent back then as well, Ward would get in over Stevens perhaps, but not by much. Wes was our creative spark of course, but you'd agree as much as me about Ireland's tendency to overrate him. Walters we could really use now.

Back then we didn't have our best player on the pitch, we now have 2 in the same position.

However, i'm arguing a moot point here because while i disagree that we're now miles off the side we were then, that was a freak result.
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Every team we put out now is very weak. I still think that team would beat our strongest team now, even if it was a poor side!
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