How are you voting in next weeks treaty

Kerrzy wrote: Thirdly and most importantly imo, being part of Europe and being seen to be willing to stick to budgetary guidelines has a lot better chance of attracting what we need for jobs - FDI. The day we are seen to detatch from Europe is the day that this dries up.

This treaty is nothing to do with the EU or our membership of it.

Have No idea what im voting on so wont vote!

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9fingers wrote: t_rAndy wrote: 9fingers wrote: bhob wrote: If we vote no will it just be like the lisbon treaty where in a years time they just make us vote on it again? Possibly but it might be the best option ie we get a full and finished treaty to vote on as opposed to voting on something that will be changed, which is what they're asking us to do now.   True this. We know it's going to be changed. We won't get to vote on the changed treaty, no doubt the referendum commission will say it's not required since we already voted in this one Exactly, that's my major worry, we are voting blind and potentially agreeing to whatever they want. Im undecided too Andy but that's the exact reason why I'll be voting no

Not true. We're voting to amend the Constitution. The wording is thus:

The State may ratify the Treaty on Stability, Coordination and
Governance in the Economic and Monetary Union done at Brussels
15 on the 2nd day of March 2012.

If the treaty is amended, if the government decide not to refer it to the people again, you can bet your bottom dollar there will be a challenge to it in the courts and it will go all the way to the Supreme Court. I don't have faith in the government but I do have faith in the Supreme Court.

SuperDave84 wrote: 9fingers wrote: t_rAndy wrote: 9fingers wrote: bhob wrote: If we vote no will it just be like the lisbon treaty where in a years time they just make us vote on it again? Possibly but it might be the best option ie we get a full and finished treaty to vote on as opposed to voting on something that will be changed, which is what they're asking us to do now.   True this. We know it's going to be changed. We won't get to vote on the changed treaty, no doubt the referendum commission will say it's not required since we already voted in this one Exactly, that's my major worry, we are voting blind and potentially agreeing to whatever they want. Im undecided too Andy but that's the exact reason why I'll be voting no Not true. We're voting to amend the Constitution. The wording is thus: The State may ratify the Treaty on Stability, Coordination and Governance in the Economic and Monetary Union done at Brussels 15 on the 2nd day of March 2012. If the treaty is amended, if the government decide not to refer it to the people again, you can bet your bottom dollar there will be a challenge to it in the courts and it will go all the way to the Supreme Court. I don't have faith in the government but I do have faith in the Supreme Court.

So your voting yes for that reason?

soccerc wrote: Kerrzy wrote: Certainty and stability is key to attracting FDI.  ...and if Berlin/Paris has it's way via this treaty then our Corporation Tax rate will be harmonised.  Where's you FDI going then and where will the FDI attracted over past 30 years go?

The CCCTB in my understanding is a separate issue that we would not be signing up to in this treaty. With the change in leadership in France will that CCCTB be pursued as much as it was in any instance? Im not sure of the answer tbh.

Kerrzy wrote: soccerc wrote: Kerrzy wrote: Certainty and stability is key to attracting FDI.  ...and if Berlin/Paris has it's way via this treaty then our Corporation Tax rate will be harmonised.  Where's you FDI going then and where will the FDI attracted over past 30 years go? The CCCTB in my understanding is a separate issue that we would not be signing up to in this treaty. With the change in leadership in France will that CCCTB be pursued as much as it was in any instance? Im not sure of the answer tbh.

It's my understanding that they are not mutually exclusive

Bollox. You know this how exactly..? Dont trip over your mate Kevin Cardiffs wallet on the way out the door. Lying untrustworthy bastards

Not a fan of the Rte/Civil Service/Old Bys Network in this country that looks after their own fingers no. In fact I despise them n their hypocracy. Gerry Charlie Fat Face Ryans Fat Ugly daughter is the newest example of this elitist monoply enjoyed by the Kevin Cardiff Mafia