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SuperDave84 
Robbie Keane 
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 Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 12:37am |
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He's currently on 91. 91 + 2 playoffs + 1 friendly + 3 euro group stage games = 97 caps. And even that is asking a fair amount. I don't think he'll make 100.
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zizu Kilbane
Jack Charlton
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Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 4:44am |
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I think Whelan's poor performances for Ireland have been largely dictated by the fact the two previous managers saw him as protection for the back 4 only. He was never encouraged to be positive with the ball under Trap or MON. That's the one noticable difference under Mick, he has tries to dictate the play a little bit more. It's a shame this is the case at 36 and not 26 because he is a decent midfielder when given the chance. He has a few hundred appearances in the PL under his belt and 90 odd caps. You don't do that if you're a bad player
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"Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?"
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Fozz
Liam Brady
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Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 7:07am |
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Agree with this.
Our opinions were mostly formed during the Trap and MoN eras when he had a simple mandate . This campaign has been excellent for him relatively speaking and I'm delighted he can bow out after this term rather than the last. |
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Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 9:39am |
I think we'll have at least 2 friendlies before the Euros (of course whether he plays in those games is another story. Spoke with a lad before the game who was giving him a load of crap saying he's useless doesn't pass the ball forward crap doesn't tackle or get forward blah blah blah. Came out later in the conversation that Denmark was the first game he has gone to. |
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Jack Charlton
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Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 10:02am |
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this is the problem I’ve had with loads of people. Their basing their opinion on a player not on what they see but the public perception based on the rankings of Eamon Dunphy. This campaign Glen has been our most consistent performer but still gets slated by people who refuse to alter their views.
It was the same with Robbie Keane in the last few years of his career and people were calling for him to be dropped and just look at our goals for ratio now. I don’t mind good honest debate but non stop slating of any player or manager without being able to take other peoples view into account just means topics just get taken over by the same few all the time.
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One City,One County,One Club GUFC will be back.
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Robbie Keane
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Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 10:28am |
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AbuAbu
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Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 10:59am |
To be fair Whelan has been one of our better players in this campaign but he has also been piss poor in previous campaigns and criticism was justified. He was a relatively safe option but we are never going to develop with him in the team. Re Robbie Keane, your argument does not make sense. He was poor in the last few years and he wasn't scoring except against the likes of gibraltar. Don't get me wrong he was a great player but time waits for no man Competitive Goals 2016 0 Goals 2015 2 Goals against Gibraltar 2014 3 Goals against Gibraltar 2013 5 Goals (3 v Faroes, 1 v Kazachstan, 1 v Sweden) |
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fochie
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Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 11:07am |
Yep,this is what he has been from the get go,hes an average holding midfielder that (lets face it) is in a team of average ballers,hes job is to break up play and sit in front of the back four.To stay in any team you must execute or try to execute your managers instructions,for me, Whelan does this to the best of his ability. The position in todays game is very tough for someone his size,this is where Duffy comes in.Duffy has gone from strength to strength,commanding his area to try play slightly higher up the pitch, it suits Whelan and gives him a little more confidence to move into spaces.
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Hans Moleman
Roy Keane
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Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 11:10am |
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And here comes the Eamonn Dunphy stuff
Whelan getting close to 100 caps is a symbol for the absolute barren wasteland that out midfield has been for the past decade. If we we were anything but a turgid, horrid, conservative football team over that decade, Whelan would have been a squad player with 10 to 20 caps. Instead he's wheeled out again in this campaign as we set up to attempt to win almost no games of note. Well, job done. We effectively played 6 games in this campaign, we won 1. We attempted to attack for about an hour or so in total out of all those 6 games. Beyond depressing. It is funny to hear so many say that Whelan has no role in how creative the team is going forward, or has no role in how our other midfield players play. Then go on about the Dunphy brigade as if they have a single clue about football. Imagine saying that a player at the heart of midfield has no role in what we do in an attacking sense as a team. Just take a minute, and imagine that now. Then imagine how stupid it is to say such a thing and also say that anyone criticising Whelan is a Dunphy fan, a barstooler and hasn't a clue about football. You genuinely couldn't make up that level of utter tripe.
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Hans Moleman
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Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 11:14am |
Under MON when it came to the crunch Whelan was out. Germany win. Italy win. Last 16 euros match vs France. It is amazing how such things are forgotten. If we are looking to play non football, which we have done for the best part of a decade mostly, Whelan is the perfect guy to sit there, fill a space and do little more. When we actually want to win big games, amazingly MON went without him. Maybe it's a pure coincidence.
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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fochie
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Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 12:28pm |
Explain..
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Hans Moleman
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Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 12:33pm |
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You want me to explain that Glenn Whelan is a central midfield player?
We are through the looking glass people.
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Green Devil
Robbie Keane
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Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 12:45pm |
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I've said this a million times on here, but here goes again.
Under Trap, O'Neill and now McCarthy we have been playing a direct brand of ultra conservative football, the memo is to get the ball forward as quick as possible with minimal phases of play which can cover up flaws (i.e. not taking risks to expose your ability on the ball when under pressure or in tight areas) When we don't have the ball, we all filter back as a team and stay extremely narrow and compact, not entertaining the idea of a full on high press. Any half competent player could play the role Whelan does, he screens infront of a defence who aren't exactly the carbon copy of Liverpool with crazy high lines or who find themselves camped firmly in the oppositions half for 90 mins! Any team that defends deep will suit a player like Whelan because the space between him and the centre half's will be minimal when out of possession. "Oh the armchairs fans or lads who don't go to matches don't know the role Whelan plays" is absolute bollox. Again, the same old nonsense spouted. Edited by Green Devil - 21 Nov 2019 at 12:49pm |
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"He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland,"
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Hans Moleman
Roy Keane
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Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 12:55pm |
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It is scary to read such comments and that these opinions are widely held.
For anyone to say that a midfield player, no matter what their designated role, has no input into how we attack is frightening. I'll go back to my favourite chestnut or our CBs, particularly Duffy. Duffy and the defensive line we keep is possibly the most important thing in our entire attacking setup. When we defend our 18 yard box for 90 mins and never ever move up the pitch, our attacking system has no chance. If you have a midfielder who offers nothing creatively but minds a space in front of the back 4 and that's it, it effects our attacking system hugely. How people can't see can a football team and it's players are all linked in defensive and attacking contributions is scary tbh. Whelan's role has had a massive impact on the 1 or 2 players playing alongside him for a long time.
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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BrendanD88
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Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 1:04pm |
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Surprised no PL sides came in for him in the summer and how such a fantastic player ended up signing for Hearts I will never know. |
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Green Devil
Robbie Keane
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Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 1:11pm |
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I have been one of Whelan's biggest critics since I joined the forum, no question and never hid the fact.
I can take into account the role he was asked to play by Trap, O'Neill and now McCarthy fair enough "but" for the way we play and how set up, again any half competent player could play that role. I'm seeing comments that Whelan was immense the other night! Immense Immense was Roy Keane's performance away in Turn for Man United or Richard Dunne in Moscow, but still we're subjected to the usual sh*te that it's only the armchair fan who doesn't rate Whelan. Denmark were absolutely poison the other night in every sense, it wasn't down to our holding midfielder stopping them from playing on his own. If we want to start winning footballing matches (which we tend not to do very well) we will need to be more expansive and take more risks, thus removing Whelan and one or two others from our starting 11. Now if we want to draw our way to The Euro's and draw some more if we get there, by all means lets continue with Whelan and one or two others. But please save me this nonsense that Whelan is some sort of legend and we'll miss him when he's gone, we won't. We may lose more games when we remove the shackles but we'll win more games also.
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"He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland,"
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fochie
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Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 1:30pm |
Its ok hans GD just explained it for you.You seem to have a gripe with every post.   |
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I think that if we look at the ireland midfielders over the past few years, its difficult not to agree that Whelan was one of the best of a very bad bunch.
James McCarthy and Harry Arter are unreliable for various reasons we wont go into Hendrick and hourihane are technically better footballers but both tend to go missing in games for large periods of time. James mcclean and Brady have been either absent in the case of Brady and high energy but mediocre ability in mccleans case Robinson and browne have played a few games and have only started making some progress in terms of impact on the team. Players like Cullen , molumby, Byrne have only just started getting game time with clubs. So whelan I would say, has been our better midfielder. But I disagree with some of the superlatives used to describe him like immense etc. We would have been worse off without him but he's not a midfielder that should be looking at close to 100 caps for ireland. |
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