Great piece that, i agree with a lot of it - I have been trying not to respond and give my views as it really has annoyed me over the last few months travelling everywhere listening to excuse after excuse - so here goes (bear with me - a rant coming - this could go anywhere)
My views - some pretty obvious
Stan has been put in way above his depth - he was the walsall reserve manager or something similar - ffs
This is not his fault - he needed to learn before being given such a high importance job - but i don't blame him for taking it when offered - I would have - its a dream job for any irishman - half of us on here all pick our own team and debate them before games - he got offered the job and was brave enough to take it
He should also be brave enough to walk away now.
I am annoyed at how things have gone as much as anyone - but i will never sl*g stan or personally abuse him (as some on here have) - He is still a footballing legend for Ireland and generally A nice bloke
He came to the meeting of the London supporters club soon after his appointment and came across as a fan first and foremost, confident he would progress the team, and with his plan in mind. He was honest and said he will need time.
Delaney was also there - He spoke about how the FAI was developing the game in Ireland etc (all very impressive and with a lot of spin naturally) and also came across well, giving his full backing to Stan. It was Delaney who labelled Stan and Bobby as a "World class management team" something which they clearly were not - he is responsible for this, but i also respect Delaney as the evidence is there at grass roots we are progressing with development of our under age teams
I think, like the article suggests that Stan tried to establish the fun old days of the charlton mccarthy days, a nicer atmosphere. I met Stephen Reid at Cheltenham after the Sweden game and he was really positive about the new set up, felt he would get a chance with Stan that he never got with Kerr.
However, i think personally that this relaxed attitude will give the wrong impression to some new players who are alienated from experiencing that attittude in the past. I am all for the team huddle, but the gushing of mick byrne with some of the lads, is embarrassing - obviously a nice bloke but its just a bit weird for me. He seems to mother them, and reassure them how great they are.
These players should be proud and motivated playing for their country, like Hunty and Doyle, who were embarassed with the Cypriot performance. They should not be molly coddled and hugged when they dont perform, they should be bollocked and let know how we feel, its not good enough. (I don't agree in personally sl*gging or abusing players though - booing is also out - but then again what do we do to show our annoyance)
And that Hickey lad (i think he is just a hanger on really), another too pally with the old guard which alienates the new players. (Have another issue with him which won't go into now)
In essence, as fans we are over optimistic with what we can achieve at this level. Fans are fickle and impatiant at the best of times. But it is Stans decisions which make me most annoyed. Reid should have played more of a part in more of the games when fit, as he can do the basics right plus pick a pass, keep the ball when required. What message did Stans decisons send out to the squad on Wednesday. Here are a few of my views on certain players.
Given - as i have stated elsewhere at the end of the german game we had a lot of corners where we could have nicked a win - yet whilst Shay was prompting the players forward - Stan was instructing them to stay back to protect a point and our unbeaten record. Shay at the end ignored stan coming off - our last hopes went out with a whimper
Kelly - looked out of his depth in the eastern europe games - would have grown in confidence following german game - Promptly dropped
O'Brien - Playing right back for bolton - did a good job against germans - promptly put in centre mid on wed - poor and subbed made a scapegoat
Miller - Stan deemed him not good enough for initial squad - was not good enough to start instead of o'brien in centre midfield where he plays for his club - and then brought him on making o'brien a scapegoat. also what message does this send to original centre midfield options in intial sqaud who were overlooked for a late call up.
keane - aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh where do i start. we have scored 15 goals in this campaign - he has not scored against decent opposition for years - but undroppable by the gaffer as he made him captain.
keogh - does not play on wing - so why play him there? McGeady needs confidence of beating players and looked good in last role against cyprus - should have started.
the squad has no depth - throw in the u21's as were not going to qualify now with results so far, so give them a taste, make them hungry for success, like hunt, reid etc
All in all as we know, Stan needs to walk, we need to restructure from our u21's upwards, something kerr was interested in doing but the FAI would not give him this much power. Although he was mighty cautious when we had the lead in games, we always went to the last game in the group with a chance. He said himself, the players he felt most let down by were Keane and Duffer- players he developed but did not put it in for him, made men now with money. All players are financially sound now so it is about pride in representing their country that counts, passion included. Our U21's could bring in a few better players now, under the correct guidance. We have a lot of potential there. For me though, i would give one of the most qualified coaches in europe the job of developing the u21's - Chris Hughton.
For senior manager i do not have a clue, we need to keep the sinking ship afloat, and fast. Lets get an experienced name in, pay the money but have him working with the u21 manager. Givens has been there too long, and what are the results, psising off players like connolly, stokes etc
I, like many others have been to every game for the past few years, and we have endured a lot of expense whilst watching a lot of sh*te. We are the greatest optimists ever, believing we will qualify every year, but all i want is to see progress and us in with a chance still playing for soemthing at the end. we did this in 2004 and 2006 qualifiers but its getting worse
playing for Pride is not enough, or a poxy home record. The rankings count for fcuk all really, but it concerns me how far we have drifted since 2002 w.c. We were nearly 10th or something like that, now were 32nd. How has it got so bad when our stars of 2002 are at their peak?
Finally, i would like to say one more thing, apologies for the off on a tangent digressing nature of this thread.
Stan, is without doubt a footballing legend for ireland, unfortunately he was given the dream job of managing the team he cared so passionately about and believed he could do it with, but his faith in players who simply have let us and him down has left him with no choice in my eyes.
We wont keep paying out money with no performance or evidence of progress on show - It is time Stan left as now it is our faith that needs restoring
Edited by Prendy - 19 Oct 2007 at 8:26am