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    Posted: 23 Nov 2022 at 11:28am
A rarely discussed topic.  Whose side would you have been on for the Civil War?
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Martin O'Neills book radicalised me into an anti Northern hardcore Free State partitionist. Mick for me please Thumbs Up
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The Pro Treaty side killing Irish people with British guns. 

The Brits copper-fastening their belief that the Irish are f**king stupid.

I read a comment before saying the Irish will always accept a British lie wrapped in a pound note.
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Originally posted by MC Hammered MC Hammered wrote:


Martin O'Neills book radicalised me into an anti Northern hardcore Free State partitionist. Mick for me please Thumbs Up

The civil war was not about partition. 

It centred around the oath and dominion status.

No side favoured partition.

It was assumed by all sides that the boundary commission would shift the border.

When they started the bc they discovered that a huge chunk of East Donegal around Finn Valley wanted to join NI

So the findings were scrapped 

Mick or Dev? I don't know.
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Dev knew coming back from London what was achievable in the upcoming negotiations. Everything that came after his meetings with George had already been predetermined. Mick was sent to take the fall, Dev was far too cute to snare himself in that trap.

Given the sheer numbers of weapons the uvf had at their disposal the free state would likely have lost Donegal and possibly a number of other border counties in a conflict. Then there's the huge numbers of civilian deaths that would have occurred... possibly reflecting 1798 levels of fatalities. 


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"One of the dominant facts in English life during the past three quarters of a century has been the decay of ability in the ruling class." Orwell, 1942.
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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Dev knew coming back from London what was achievable in the upcoming negotiations. Everything that came after his meetings with George had already been predetermined. Mick was sent to take the fall, Dev was far too cute to snare himself in that trap.

Given the sheer numbers of weapons the uvf had at their disposal the free state would likely have lost Donegal and possibly a number of other border counties in a conflict. Then there's the huge numbers of civilian deaths that would have occurred... possibly reflecting 1798 levels of fatalities. 

They were offered the 9 counties. But only took 6 as they held the majority in the 6.
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Dev knew coming back from London what was achievable in the upcoming negotiations. Everything that came after his meetings with George had already been predetermined. Mick was sent to take the fall, Dev was far too cute to snare himself in that trap.

Given the sheer numbers of weapons the uvf had at their disposal the free state would likely have lost Donegal and possibly a number of other border counties in a conflict. Then there's the huge numbers of civilian deaths that would have occurred... possibly reflecting 1798 levels of fatalities. 

They were offered the 9 counties. But only took 6 as they held the majority in the 6.

That doesn't mean the counties would have stayed that way had the unionists forcibly taken control in a subsequent armed conflict. Ethnic cleansing would most certainly have occurred as it did 40 odd years later.
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