Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Thats fine I do rememeber it , and I just thought it was one of those pointless abstract elements which will just go around in circles. But I really wasnt trying to run away from it. If you want We can have a go off it

Inflation at nearly 8%, interest rates at 16%, value of their currency lower, using money from their wealth funds to cover the budget. Increased military spending which temporarily booms the economy. Foreign investors gone, foreign asset's confiscated. Shortage of labour to fill vacant jobs due to low immigration, working aged men dying or fighting in Ukraine or leaving the country. Aging population demographic which will be worse after the war. 

Oil and gas exports dropping. Lost their most valuable export market the EU Probably permanently. The list goes on.

But you read some headline that a country in a war economy has a growing GDP 😂

Prove me wrong. But again that would involve you needing an understanding of economics beyond GDP.

There is a world of difference between the type of control the Kremlin was exerting over Ukraine in 2013, and any level of US involvement. One was dictating foreign policy in default of the will of the public. This default caused mass protests, and Russia responded by trying to annex parts of Ukraine, as it no longer had indirect control of the incumbents of Ukrainian power. A few CIA intelligence agents (invited in on the back of

Russian invasion), and some comments by US politicians is a long way from what Russia was doing. And how Russia responded once the population ousted Yanukovich is telling about how little they respect democracy, or Ukrainian agency. 

I dont know tbh.  I do think on the face of it US was trying to steer Ukraine Westwards. Many MSM articles on the subject. Less so mainstream articles on more nefarious activities by the CIA. But they are there. So to quantify interference, they were both at it, but the Russians arguably were worse?

Just to add a bit of meat