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Jack Charlton
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Originally posted by Terzino Terzino wrote:

More possession means more shots, more possibilities of getting set-pieces etc.

For all of Kenny's faults, he has demonstrated that we don't have to be so one dimensional in our approach.

Not if you're just knocking the ball back and over aimlessly in your own half it doesn't. I'd say we've actually been fairly one dimensional for the last 9 months or so.  We're not automatically knocking it long but we're not doing much else of interest with it either. 

Take last night as an example even - the goals came from two crosses and a free kick. Against Greece it was another set piece. When it comes to scoring the few goals we score we're just scoring the same ones we always did, just that we've sacrificed our defensive solidity in the process, so our results are worse than ever.
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Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by Terzino Terzino wrote:

More possession means more shots, more possibilities of getting set-pieces etc.

For all of Kenny's faults, he has demonstrated that we don't have to be so one dimensional in our approach.
For me he's demonstrated the exact opposite. The distinct lack of positive results against non-minnows has shown that our previous pragmatism was more effective.


Kenny has the worst selection of Irish players in decades, but they play a better brand of football that can be effective. 

I'd put down the lack of positive results to his tactical and organisational limitations, rather than an aversion to pragmatism.
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Ray Houghton
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Terzino Terzino wrote:

UPDATED:

A comprehensive list of Ireland's biggest wins.

<results snipped out>

Couldnt resist Smile 6 of them under Kenny

And under the other managers
Giles(4)
Hand(4)
Charlton(12)
McCarthy(12)
Kerr(2)
Staunton(3)
Trapattoni(8)
O'Neill(5)
Kenny(6)

Terzino, you're missing a 3-0 win against Denmark in March 2002 under McCarthy, and the 3-0 win against Wales in February 2011 under Trapattoni


Edited by tetsujin1979 - 20 Jun 2023 at 5:09pm
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Thanks for that. I have updated the list.

For some reason, the screamer that Robbie scored against Denmark, in 2002, I had thought that he had scored that goal against Sweden in 2006, in one of Staunton's first games.

Turns out it was Liam Miller who smashed one in from distance in that game.
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I think this stat fits this thread:


away wins in qualifying games, 1934-1985 = 6

away wins in qualifying games, 1987-1993 = 7


Edited by Terzino - 05 Jul 2023 at 10:20pm
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UPDATED:

A comprehensive list of Ireland's biggest wins.


8 goal winning margin: 

       8-0, v Malta (1983)


7 goal winning margin: 

       7-0, v Gibraltar (2014)


6 goal winning margin: 

       6-0, v Cyprus (1980)


5 goal winning margin:

       5-0, v Israel (1987)
       5-0, v Turkey (1990)
       5-0, v Liechtenstein (1996)
       5-0, v Liechtenstein (1997)
       5-0, v Malta (1998)
       5-0, v San Marino (2006)
       5-0, v Northern Ireland (2011)


4 goal winning margin:
 
      4-0, v Belgium (1929)
      5-1, v Luxembourg (1936)
      4-0, v Switzerland (1938)
      4-0, v Austria (1953)
      4-0, v Luxembourg (1953)
      4-0, v Turkey (1975)
      4-0, v Tunisia (1988)
      4-0, v Latvia (1992)
      4-0, v Liechtenstein (1994) 
      4-0, v Northern Ireland (1995)
      4-0, v Cyprus (2001)(a)
      4-0, v Cyprus (2001)(h)
      4-0, v Denmark (2007)
      4-0, v Estonia (2011)
      4-0, v Georgia (2013)
      4-0, v Gibraltar (2015)
      4-0, v Oman (2016)
      4-0, v Qatar (2021)

      4-0, v Gibraltar (2023)


3 goal winning margin:

           5-2, v Germany (1936)  
           3-0, v Finland (1949)
           4-1, v Holland (1956)
           3-0, v West Germany (1956)
           4-1, v Norway (1964)
           3-0, v USSR (1974)
           3-0, v Norway (1976) 
           3-0, v Bulgaria (1979) 
           3-0, v Iceland (1983)
           3-0, v Switzerland (1985)
           3-0, v Northern Ireland (1989)
           3-0, v Malta (1990)
           3-0, v Wales (1991)
           4-1, v USA (1992)
           3-0, v Northern Ireland (1993)
           3-0, v Latvia (1994)
           3-0, v Bolivia (1996)
           3-0, v Macedonia (1996)
           3-0, v Finland (2000)
           3-0, v Andorra (2001)
           3-0, v Denmark (2002)
           3-0, v Saudi Arabia (2002)
           3-0, v Finland (2002)
           3-0, v Canada (2003)
           3-0, v Cyprus (2004)
           3-0, v Sweden (2006)
           3-0, v Algeria (2010)
           3-0, v Wales (2011)
           4-1, v Oman (2012)
           4-1, v Faroe Isles (2012)
           3-0, v Faroe Isles (2013)
           3-0, v Latvia (2013)
           4-1, v USA (2014)
           4-1, v Andorra (2021)
           3-0, v Azerbaijan (2021)
           3-0, v Luxembourg (2021)
           3-0, v Scotland (2022)
           3-0, v Gibraltar (2023)
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