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Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Oct 2011 Status: Online Points: 6869 |
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PM, I'm far from looking down on the likes of League Two clubs. The infrastructure around most of these clubs is superior to most of what is on offer in Ireland. My point is around player development and welfare. I was listening to the excellent LOI weekly podcast with Dan McDonnell and he had Damian Lynch and Stevie O'Donnell on. Both went over to England as youngsters and believe that they would have been better served making the breakthrough at home and then maybe going over when they were more mature. There is a strong argument that playing men's football here at age 18 is better as a learning ground than playing in the academy set up in the UK for another few years and then finding out if you're being kept on or let go. What is the % success rate for an Irish kid to make it through the youth system to a full contracts in England? It's been well documented that the career journey of many of our current Irish born internationals has begun via the LOI and then progressed into England. So my point about Stevenage wasn't to do with snobbery or a chip on my shoulder regarding their status. It's to do with the shameful situation that through 1) The self serving nature of the schoolboys clubs and 2) Our sh*te facilities and lack of glamour We can't seemingly put a proposition in place of kids to make them want to stay at home with one of our best clubs rather than go to League two. Edited by MC Hammered - 25 Apr 2017 at 4:37pm |
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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I know that MC, wasn't having a dig at you at all, I just didn't find the tone of the article helpful to the situation and was written with that chip. I agree with a lot of the rest of what you have said but if anything you can be better off starting down the ranks in England than further up. A young Irish lad will have much more chance of getting a regular game at Stevenage than a Championship club and if he is good enough will make it. There is also the fact that more and more players in the English lower leagues are getting help with courses and education. If it was a young fella I knew I would be telling him finish the leaving and see what happens but you can't blame them for being attracted. In regards to your two points, there is no doubt that the schoolboy cartel has been the biggest hindrance to football development in this country, that has to change and, secondly, I do think that clubs are trying to see the light and even the FAI are, to an extent, but that will take time. The reason I am so critical of the 'chip on the shoulder' mentality is that if we don't lose that we will always be losing players to English clubs. That is a problem right the way through the league and has been for years, we need to accept our faults before we put them right.
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MC Hammered
Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Oct 2011 Status: Online Points: 6869 |
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I know what you mean about players getting more of a crack of the whip at lower levels in the UK and then progressing than going directly to an EPL club PM. We both agree about lads benefiting from staying and doing the Leaving Cert and maturing a bit. There's a real opportunity in my mind that if the underage LOI is set up correctly, we could provide a strong alternative to the hit and hope model that has long since been our way of developing talent (I.E outsourcing it abroad). It was just dispiriting to read that article from SKB's to see their vested interest shine through so clearly. |
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Ronnie Whelan Joined: 25 Apr 2017 Location: Worksop Status: Offline Points: 74 |
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Its a mental health issue as well lads, there are many cases of guys coming home and suffering from depression due to their "failure". I have spoken to guys in some of the Elite DDSL clubs who have admitted to me that they have sent guys over who they think have no chance of making it but encouraged the parents because it was worth 20 or 30k to the club.
Scandalous!! I can't wait for someone to sue these guys for not exercising a duty of care.
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