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Originally posted by Peter Stöger Peter Stöger wrote:

If you take off the LOI glasses for a moment, the fact still remains that a team second in their group needing only 2 draws to progress to the last 16 of the competition ballsed in up and lost both games and ended up finishing last. If that had been Klopp, Mourinho or O'Neill they'd be looking for a new job.


Not sure why I'm responding to a troll seen as I managed to ignore the rest of your poop, but why would we "take off the LOI glasses"? We are a LOI team

Do you want us to pretend we weren't a LOI team? Will we pretend we weren't the lowest ranked team left in European competition? Will we pretend we weren't out of season? Will we pretend we were Klopps Liverpool or Mourinhos UTD so it will suit your argument?

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Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Stöger Peter Stöger wrote:

If you take off the LOI glasses for a moment, the fact still remains that a team second in their group needing only 2 draws to progress to the last 16 of the competition ballsed in up and lost both games and ended up finishing last. If that had been Klopp, Mourinho or O'Neill they'd be looking for a new job.


Not sure why I'm responding to a troll seen as I managed to ignore the rest of your poop, but why would we "take off the LOI glasses"? We are a LOI team

Do you want us to pretend we weren't a LOI team? Will we pretend we weren't the lowest ranked team left in European competition? Will we pretend we weren't out of season? Will we pretend we were Klopps Liverpool or Mourinhos UTD so it will suit your argument?


I couldn't think of a better alternative than LOI tinted glasses, but what I'm really getting at is that there is no need for the backslapping "ah sure, they were fantastic", likewise I couln't give a fook about the EPL myself but the point is that if LOI sides want to progress they need higher standards, including a bit of critical thinking. Not with yourself particularly, but there's a good few posters on here who have the proverbial green tinted glasses on. Any dissent or questioning about those last two matches seems to be immediately put down, that we can't say bad things about their seasion. My first question would be why were they not match fit for the last few games, when it was well known that they had those two games to look forward to. 

They still finished bottom of the group from a commanding position just two games before. Questions should be asked, regardless. 
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Originally posted by Peter Stöger Peter Stöger wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Stöger Peter Stöger wrote:

If you take off the LOI glasses for a moment, the fact still remains that a team second in their group needing only 2 draws to progress to the last 16 of the competition ballsed in up and lost both games and ended up finishing last. If that had been Klopp, Mourinho or O'Neill they'd be looking for a new job.


Not sure why I'm responding to a troll seen as I managed to ignore the rest of your poop, but why would we "take off the LOI glasses"? We are a LOI team

Do you want us to pretend we weren't a LOI team? Will we pretend we weren't the lowest ranked team left in European competition? Will we pretend we weren't out of season? Will we pretend we were Klopps Liverpool or Mourinhos UTD so it will suit your argument?


I couldn't think of a better alternative than LOI tinted glasses, but what I'm really getting at is that there is no need for the backslapping "ah sure, they were fantastic", likewise I couln't give a fook about the EPL myself but the point is that if LOI sides want to progress they need higher standards, including a bit of critical thinking. Not with yourself particularly, but there's a good few posters on here who have the proverbial green tinted glasses on. Any dissent or questioning about those last two matches seems to be immediately put down, that we can't say bad things about their seasion. My first question would be why were they not match fit for the last few games, when it was well known that they had those two games to look forward to. 

They still finished bottom of the group from a commanding position just two games before. Questions should be asked, regardless. 

Stick to your EPL on your TV cause you have no idea what your talking about!

If the players were not fit, would it not have been Maccabi pushing for a 3rd goal in the last 10 mins and not Dundalk looking for an equaliser? 
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They looked unfit all right . I would have rated em as the fittest in the LOI but no ,, they were not fit in that last game - no way . Fkuc em ,,,,,,,,,,,,btw. 
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Good article this re Dundalk achievement.


Worth remembering:

This year Dundalk were representing the 40th-ranked league in Europe; the next lowest-ranked league in the group stages was that of Kazakhstan (32nd). 

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Written by a bitter Sligo twat.

As for Dundalk, they won 2 games in Europe this season. They did very very well to get this far.
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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Good article this re Dundalk achievement.


Worth remembering:

This year Dundalk were representing the 40th-ranked league in Europe; the next lowest-ranked league in the group stages was that of Kazakhstan (32nd). 


He's made a liar out of Brian Kerr. Last July Kerr said Republic of Ireland was in 46th spot. Kerr didnt quote his source, the presumption is UEFA based mathematics then UEFA based source. But UEFA issue one country and one club beginning of the season list.
A journalist quoting exclusionary mathematics like UEFA Country co-efficient without qualifying it's exclusionary nature is dishonest. Eamonn Sweeney is a dishonest Sports Journalist (it's makes him a hero with league of ireland abusers).
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What absolute ****s UEFA are...there will be an extra qualifying round but one less qualification place up for grabs in the champions route from 2019. All so Spain, Italy, England and Germany get 4 guaranteed group spots. That's a kick in the balls considering how well Dundalk did last year.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/competitions/premiership/scots-to-face-four-rounds-of-qualifiers-in-champions-league-1-4316826
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Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

What absolute ****s UEFA are...there will be an extra qualifying round but one less qualification place up for grabs in the champions route from 2019. All so Spain, Italy, England and Germany get 4 guaranteed group spots. That's a kick in the balls considering how well Dundalk did last year.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/competitions/premiership/scots-to-face-four-rounds-of-qualifiers-in-champions-league-1-4316826

On the upside losing at any stage in the CLQ drops you into ELQ. The decision to give the top 4 16 places was nothing short of a disgrace though.
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harder to get into the champions league but a better shot of geting into the europa league for our champions

I wonder if the champions that drop into the europa league will be kept apart from the other teams? would be a bit unfair on the rest if they werent

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Hardly surprising, still sickening.
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Eufa fiddling the draw,surely not.
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Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

harder to get into the champions league but a better shot of geting into the europa league for our champions

I wonder if the champions that drop into the europa league will be kept apart from the other teams? would be a bit unfair on the rest if they werent

It appears there will be a separate champions path in the Europa League.

I actually think it has made the EL group stage more difficult for our clubs. At the moment it really is only attainable for our champions.   

At the moment our champions need to win their 2nd round game so ideally need to be seeded (Dundalk will probably just miss out) or get a bit of luck in the draw.  Then they have 2 shots at a group stage against teams that are seeded well above our sides.  Dundalk beat BATE and so were guaranteed at least EL group stage football.  Likewise Shamrock Rovers lost to FC Copenhagen but then beat Partizan in the EL.

Now ok our champions will get the extra games but they must negotiate an extra round and thus need an extra win.  So to get group stage football now will require 2 wins over the likes of a BATE and a Partizan.  
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So lets say for example, if we do what we done this year, beat FH and BATE, lose to Warsaw, we then go into a play-off rather than straight into the group stage?

Obviously we''ll be starting in first round now rather than 2nd, also how many champions will then actually get into the europa league group stages?


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Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

So lets say for example, if we do what we done this year, beat FH and BATE, lose to Warsaw, we then go into a play-off rather than straight into the group stage?

Obviously we''ll be starting in first round now rather than 2nd, also how many champions will then actually get into the europa league group stages?

Next year it is still the same as it was this year.  To reach the group stages of the Champions League Dundalk would need to win 3 ties.  Lose first time up and they are out but there is the safety net of the Europa League if they lose in the 3rd or 4th qualifying rounds.  

Say Dundalk win the league next year.  Then in 2018 Dundalk would start in the first qualifying round of the Champions League.  To qualify for the Champions League group stage they would need to win 4 ties.  If they lose they would still go into the next round of the Europa League. So to get to the group stages of the Europa League they would need to win 3 ties out of 4. In at least 2 of those 3 Dundalk would almost certainly be unseeded. 

Now in general it may be a good thing as our champions are guaranteed 2 extra games, extra revenue etc.  There would be a general expectation even of 6 games.  If our champions were to fail in the CL they would most likely be seeded next time out in the EL. 

However in general it has made the group stages even more unlikely for our clubs. 
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Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

So lets say for example, if we do what we done this year, beat FH and BATE, lose to Warsaw, we then go into a play-off rather than straight into the group stage?

Obviously we''ll be starting in first round now rather than 2nd, also how many champions will then actually get into the europa league group stages?

Next year it is still the same as it was this year.  To reach the group stages of the Champions League Dundalk would need to win 3 ties.  Lose first time up and they are out but there is the safety net of the Europa League if they lose in the 3rd or 4th qualifying rounds.  

Say Dundalk win the league next year.  Then in 2018 Dundalk would start in the first qualifying round of the Champions League.  To qualify for the Champions League group stage they would need to win 4 ties.  If they lose they would still go into the next round of the Europa League. So to get to the group stages of the Europa League they would need to win 3 ties out of 4. In at least 2 of those 3 Dundalk would almost certainly be unseeded. 

Now in general it may be a good thing as our champions are guaranteed 2 extra games, extra revenue etc.  There would be a general expectation even of 6 games.  If our champions were to fail in the CL they would most likely be seeded next time out in the EL. 

However in general it has made the group stages even more unlikely for our clubs. 

A champions side of ELQ could be beneficial too as there are some strong teams in there like Genk who City played, midtjylland, West Ham etc.   and there would be weaker teams dropping down.
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A 19 year old from Genk, who played in both games against City, is apparently moving to Leicester for 15 million, presumably to semi-retire on 50k a week. It just shows the gulf we are dealing with.
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