UK Politics Thread

Mush Cassidys Donkey wrote: Het-field wrote: Corbyn made a rod for his own back many times. Had he capitalised after 2017 when he had the chance he would have made a difference, but instead Salisbury happened and guess what, he failed that test. He was also incapable of handling the Brexit issue which was the exclusive issue of the day. Remainers and leavers couldn’t trust him, and hence why he fell between two stools. Corbyn played a role in his own downfall as leader of the LP. f**k me the Tory Boy strikes again

eireland wrote: Het-field wrote: Mush Cassidys Donkey wrote: Het-field wrote: Corbyn made a rod for his own back many times. Had he capitalised after 2017 when he had the chance he would have made a difference, but instead Salisbury happened and guess what, he failed that test. He was also incapable of handling the Brexit issue which was the exclusive issue of the day. Remainers and leavers couldn’t trust him, and hence why he fell between two stools. Corbyn played a role in his own downfall as leader of the LP. f**k me the Tory Boy strikes again  The Donkey hurling from the ditch again. Just insults. Nothing of substance. 😂😂😂😂 This guy must have the IQ of a water melon.

Borussia wrote: Mush Cassidys Donkey wrote: Het-field wrote: Corbyn made a rod for his own back many times. Had he capitalised after 2017 when he had the chance he would have made a difference, but instead Salisbury happened and guess what, he failed that test. He was also incapable of handling the Brexit issue which was the exclusive issue of the day. Remainers and leavers couldn’t trust him, and hence why he fell between two stools. Corbyn played a role in his own downfall as leader of the LP. f**k me the Tory Boy strikes again  He does have a bit of a point in this instance though. All of this contributed to what happened to Corbyn as well as him being seen not to be hard enough on Anti-semitism in the Labour party.

Borussia wrote: On the Anti-semitism, yes the right wing press were always going to make it to be far bigger than it was. But it did exist and Corbyn could have been stronger on it but wasn't and didn't and it cost him.  On the Islamaphobia which exists, trying to induldge in whataboutery like above is also partly what cost Labour. I very much agree on Starmer - I'll be holding my nose while voting for Labour next time.

notpropaganda73 wrote: Borussia wrote: On the Anti-semitism, yes the right wing press were always going to make it to be far bigger than it was. But it did exist and Corbyn could have been stronger on it but wasn't and didn't and it cost him.  On the Islamaphobia which exists, trying to induldge in whataboutery like above is also partly what cost Labour. I very much agree on Starmer - I'll be holding my nose while voting for Labour next time.  I'm not really saying it as a "whataboutery", I meant it as both issues are not really something those that gunned for Corbyn care about fixing, more a useful thing to beat him with and now that he's gone, job done I absolutely agree he failed on it though, like I said he didn't have political nous generally as leader and I think he failed to see what was happening and failed to take a strong enough position on it

Corbyn was always on a hiding to nothing. The anti-semitism stuff was exaggerated but used as a stick to beat him with, likewise his dithering on Brexit, which he supported, was a massive own goal. He was not a natural leader, he had a long history of voting against his own party and he appointed ideologues of dubious merit to key positions. In keeping with the gesture politics he had espoused throughout his political career, he welcomed back into the party members of Trotskyist sects who had been expelled previously for infiltrating the party with the objective of splitting and damaging it as much as possible. All of which led to a wipe-out at the polls and forced Labour into a complete re-set. It was clear that further years in the wilderness were what they faced without one. Starmer seems to be trying to position himself as a latter day Tony Blair without the charisma but truth is they don’t have to do much at the moment other than watch the non-stop clown show that has driven the vast bulk of the electorate away from the Tories. We’ll see what present day Labour actually stand for when their election manifesto materialises.