PROGRESS COMPARISON?

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   Lads, I've done a bit of an exercise here looking back at the first FULL attempt (so I'm not counting Kerr taking command when McCarthy went after the 1st two games of Euro 2004*) at qualification of Stan, Kerr, McCarthy and Charlton, taking the first 9 games (cos Stan's only had 9) or in Charlton's case, 8 games cos there was only 5 teams in the group.

Some interesting conclusions to digest.

1. Charlton qualified first attempt, McCarthy got to a play off (with a very young squad after Charlton's heroes retired), Kerr made it to the last game with the Swiss, Stan's effort is all but out with 3 games to go.

2. Clean sheets: Jack 5/8, Mick 5/9, Kerr 5/9, Stan 3/9

3. Records (W‑D-L), Jack 4‑3‑1, Mick 5‑2‑2, Kerr 4‑4‑1, Stan 4‑2‑3

4. Goals scored:  Jack 10, Mick 21, Kerr 12, Stan 14

5. Goals conceded: Jack 5, Mick 7, Kerr 5, Stan 10

6. Best unbeaten run: Kerr 7 (Stan 6)

7. Worst run with no win: Mick and Stan 3 each

*Kerr's 6 games after taking over from McCarthy were

W, W, D, W, D, L (that last game was losing to the Swiss putting us out of the play‑off spot, but at least he got to the last game).

Is this what you call progress?  The other Managers certainly managed it in my opinion (Jack qualified, McCarthy got to play‑off after Jack missed out on Euro 96, Kerr got us to the last game of WC2006 (and nearly rescued qualification for Euro 2004 without His Highness), Stan's had 9 games and we're all but out and may finish 4th...........I rest my case again Delaney.

Edited by FREEWHEELER - 25 Sep 2007 at 10:24am

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FREEWHEELER Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Robbie Keane sPICE UP YOUR LIFE Gwan MONROY Joined: 29 Mar 2007 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 24595	Topic: PROGRESS COMPARISON? Posted: 25 Sep 2007 at 10:09am
	Lads, I've done a bit of an exercise here looking back at the first FULL attempt (so I'm not counting Kerr taking command when McCarthy went after the 1st two games of Euro 2004) at qualification of Stan, Kerr, McCarthy and Charlton, taking the first 9 games (cos Stan's only had 9) or in Charlton's case, 8 games cos there was only 5 teams in the group. Some interesting conclusions to digest. 1. Charlton qualified first attempt, McCarthy got to a play off (with a very young squad after Charlton's heroes retired), Kerr made it to the last game with the Swiss, Stan's effort is all but out with 3 games to go. 2. Clean sheets: Jack 5/8, Mick 5/9, Kerr 5/9, Stan 3/9 3. Records (W‑D-L), Jack 4‑3‑1, Mick 5‑2‑2, Kerr 4‑4‑1, Stan 4‑2‑3 4. Goals scored: Jack 10, Mick 21, Kerr 12, Stan 14 5. Goals conceded: Jack 5, Mick 7, Kerr 5, Stan 10 6. Best unbeaten run: Kerr 7 (Stan 6) 7. Worst run with no win: Mick and Stan 3 each Kerr's 6 games after taking over from McCarthy were W, W, D, W, D, L (that last game was losing to the Swiss putting us out of the play‑off spot, but at least he got to the last game). Is this what you call progress? The other Managers certainly managed it in my opinion (Jack qualified, McCarthy got to play‑off after Jack missed out on Euro 96, Kerr got us to the last game of WC2006 (and nearly rescued qualification for Euro 2004 without His Highness), Stan's had 9 games and we're all but out and may finish 4th...........I rest my case again Delaney. Edited by FREEWHEELER - 25 Sep 2007 at 10:24am
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The_Yank Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Ray Houghton Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Location: Dundrum Status: Offline Points: 4090	Posted: 25 Sep 2007 at 10:29am
	Nothing to add here.... you cannot beat cold hard facts. Well Done!!

erimus Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Roy Keane Joined: 29 Mar 2007 Location: North Kildare Status: Offline Points: 11399	Posted: 25 Sep 2007 at 10:56am
	imo the best thing that can happen is the germs stuff us 3 nil...i know it may mean coming 4th or whatever but the only way things will change is if that t**ser is pushed out of the job cos he wont walk
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	good work freewheeler. You cant argue with these facts which makes it the more frustrating!!!


KrisMorrisKross Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Liam Brady Joined: 17 May 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1109	Posted: 25 Sep 2007 at 11:59am
	I know what you're saying Erimus that only another embarrasment might force him out but if our seeding stays the same or gets worse then whoever is in charge for the WC qualifiers will be f****d. Remember only a trojan effort as 3rd seeds got us qualified to 2002 WC. So we need to win our last 3 games
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L.Y.A. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List 500 Club la la la Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 624	Posted: 25 Sep 2007 at 12:01pm
	Mick was never the most popular manager but 3 play-offs and one world cup speaks for itself-and with the new two qualify rule he'd have taken us to more tournaments...I also think Kerr should have been given another stab at this qualifying campaign-

stiofain Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Liam Brady Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Location: Brunei Darussalam Status: Offline Points: 2519	Posted: 25 Sep 2007 at 1:57pm
	Great post freewheeler, the cold facts speak for themself. Edited by stiofain - 25 Sep 2007 at 2:14pm
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	Hold on, no matter what state we get to I don't think we should ever get to the point where we say that the best thing that can happen is that we get stuffed in a match, although to be fair we all know where erimus is coming from. Good work Freewheeler the stats are very interesting and just back up what most of us I think already know - STAN IS OUT OF HIS DEPTH.
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	top post FW , feckin depressed reading it
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