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colemanY2K 
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 Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 9:03am |
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Well said deise. A sad state of affairs.
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"One of the dominant facts in English life during the past three quarters of a century has been the decay of ability in the ruling class." Orwell, 1942.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane
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Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 11:03am |
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Spot on Deise, it is why voting in Ireland is absolutely pointless.
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horsebox
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Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 11:13am |
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Who exactly are voting for these white collar criminals?
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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thebronze14
Jack Charlton
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Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 11:13am |
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Great post Deise...It's sad, frustrating but true
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GB 1HughJarse
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Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 11:26am |
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He said most of the people who voted for him are happy with the switch.
Really?? He got about 14,000 votes, so that means he has consulted/polled/engaged with at least 8,000 voters who are happy with the switch?? Great man or alternative facts? *i know the PR voting system means he might not have got 14,000 votes directly, what with transfers etc, but you know what I mean. The good people of Wicklow will |
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Saint Tom
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Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 12:50pm |
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Any legitimacy this guy ever had is gone. As you say d16, he can practically smell the leather interior of the merc
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My destination inchicore my next stop being kilmainham
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alihau41
Liam Brady
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Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 1:06pm |
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great post deise. completely agree, and it's the main reason why this country only deals with the current and not capital aspect of building a country. a couple of thoughts on it and from the press announcement yesterday. it would take a mass shooting of the martin family to wipe the smile off Michael's face, proper beaming. he knows it's a big coup for the party in an effort to try and move away from their horrific failings pre-2011. Donnelly has been quite vocal and articulate in his approach in the Dail, certainly a politician that has a lot of personal views rather than the standard of politicians that just flock to a stronger character. although he may have lost some respect from his own constituency for being a turncoat, I actually think he will be an important factor in helping FF gain more votes countrywide. he'll definitely become a front runner with FF and can only presume it was part of his conditions in joining them. but anyone else get that feeling that Donnelly has now started to believe his own hype? came across yesterday as a man who really loves the sound of his own voice
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Robbie Keane
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Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 1:16pm |
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http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/jobs-for-the-boyshow-stephen-donnelly-ridiculed-fianna-fil-before-joining-the-party-35419882.html
It really is almost a lampoon of everything that is wrong in Irish politics, I don't know whether his sense of irony is non-existent or excellent. It does say it all about the broad range of nothingness that passes as FF policy that he can claim there is little difference between them and the Social Democrats. I once heard an old leftie colleague of mine describe FF's manifesto to be so broad that it could appeal to Lenin,Trotsky, Hitler, Thatcher, the Pope, Ian Paisley, the Dalai Lama and Madonna and while I laughed at the time he may well have had a point. From what I recall the SDs were going to filll the gap left by the Labour Party since the Labour party had decided to become a branch of FF, now the SDs are actually joining FF, who will fill the gap left by the SDs, will there be a breakaway from Sinn Fein? They are long overdue a split. I suppose, as Deise has said, maybe this all encompassing blandness is what stops the far right in Ireland being little more than an Arabic looking Portuguese immigrant in Carlow and a few lads who misunderstood American History X going to Dublin for a piss-up with confused Poles. Back on Donnelly himself though, should there not be a by-election in a case like this? Fellas shouldn't be able to hop about political parties like this, although it would be a great way to start the revolution, have a load of Trotskyites and Anarchists running on FF and FG tickets and discussing small farmers , rural communities and potholes and before you know it we will be singing A Las Barricadas' before the All-Ireland.
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Bob Hoskins
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Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 1:46pm |
Or the Sein Fein crooks
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Romario 2016: And the ticket mafia gets caught! Well, four years ago I had already told the government.
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Citizen
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Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 1:58pm |
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nothing worse than a snake like that, hiding behind a socialist mask when all he ever wanted to do was realise his own ambition. Its the fundamental problem with politics in ireland the overwhelming majority are careerists. and the perks are unreal so it's hardly a surprise. TD's salaries need to be reduced to the average industrial wage. lets see how many apply then
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Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 2:03pm |
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deise316
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Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 6:18pm |
Thing is, he has as much legitimacy as he ever had in one way, it depends on whether the voters in Wicklow elect him again, he will be selling this move to his existing voters along the lines of ''I can do more for ye in a position of power in a senior FF role'', and while he will lose some of the socialist/independent vote that got him there in the first place, some of the floating voters who voted for him last time will be persuaded by that argument, as well as some of the original Pre wrecking the country FF vote coming back to him, now that they have served their punishment in opposition. I actually don't know if FF are part of the government or the opposition right now, I'm not entirely sure they do either, but I suspect they don't really mind, and it further exemplifies just how all encompassing your party ideals are if you can manage to be a member of both at the same time. By all accounts Donnelly is a pretty diligent constituency worker, which in Ireland, can be as important as the party badge being worn, at least in some constituencies. No different to yer man Keaveny in Galway packing in the Labour party for FF before LAB imploded, though in his case, either the voters saw through it, or FF weren't particularly popular in Galway in the last election. This one would be more of a surprise I suppose as Donnelly appeared to actually believe what he was saying an odd time, whereas long term Labour party watchers are fully aware they will sell out any number of principles (which by the end of the last government, were down to practically zero anyway) the minute it looks like they could be a part of government. There won't be a massive backlash against Donnelly by the scheduled election time, that could change if one were called in this calendar year, by the time it rolls around, most of his voters will either have forgotten, be pragmatic about voting for him & reason he is not a bad fella anyway regardless of party, or simply won't really care. |
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