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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Before the conversations go any further, people should be wary of posting on this topic.
As there are charges now pending, you can be well sure that their expensively paid lawyers will be having a good look at forums, twitter etc to try and find things they can use to prove that the people charged cannot get a fair trial. 


As if this is an normal court case, where standard innocent before proven guilty laws apply.

There's not a single adult in the UK who is not aware of what happened and who doesn't know who bears responsibility, given the vast amount of material in the public domain, so the idea of your standard fair trial is impossible. Some of those are up on multiple charges. One is being held responsible for 95 fatalities, and he has no realistic chance of coming out of that courtroom a free man. This is a show trial, where the only question is the length of the sentence. After nigh on 30 years, justice is coming to their door.

The families deserve justice, but they're just the latest of a long list down the years to encounter the stonewalling of the British justice system. If you want to correct an injustice, like in Birmingham, Guildford, Derry and elsewhere, even with cast iron evidence, you'll need to have the patience of job. The brits don't like been told they're wrong.

In the eyes of the law it is a normal court case - And therefore everybody else needs to treat it the same in order to give the best chance of justice being done. 
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well done to the families involved for pursuing this, in this country we have injustices such as the stardust where the families still are looking for justice against the state for so long, people give out about the british system not willing to admit their wrongdoings (I.e. Birmingham six Guildford 4 cases) we're just as bad
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Before the conversations go any further, people should be wary of posting on this topic.
As there are charges now pending, you can be well sure that their expensively paid lawyers will be having a good look at forums, twitter etc to try and find things they can use to prove that the people charged cannot get a fair trial. 


As if this is an normal court case, where standard innocent before proven guilty laws apply.

There's not a single adult in the UK who is not aware of what happened and who doesn't know who bears responsibility, given the vast amount of material in the public domain, so the idea of your standard fair trial is impossible. Some of those are up on multiple charges. One is being held responsible for 95 fatalities, and he has no realistic chance of coming out of that courtroom a free man. This is a show trial, where the only question is the length of the sentence. After nigh on 30 years, justice is coming to their door.

The families deserve justice, but they're just the latest of a long list down the years to encounter the stonewalling of the British justice system. If you want to correct an injustice, like in Birmingham, Guildford, Derry and elsewhere, even with cast iron evidence, you'll need to have the patience of job. The brits don't like been told they're wrong.

In the eyes of the law it is a normal court case - And therefore everybody else needs to treat it the same in order to give the best chance of justice being done. 


Exactly. Even more is the point in this case; because of the high profile nature of it, extra care has to be taken, not less.
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

In the eyes of the law it is a normal court case - And therefore everybody else needs to treat it the same in order to give the best chance of justice being done. 


But the point is it's not a normal court case where there are no cameras, a handful of witnesses, and a tight control of public info regarding the subject with an impartial jury. Every detail about Hillsborough is already public record, and it's already clear beyond all reasonable doubt who and what is responsible. The trial is a legal requirement for show, that's all.
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

In the eyes of the law it is a normal court case - And therefore everybody else needs to treat it the same in order to give the best chance of justice being done. 


But the point is it's not a normal court case where there are no cameras, a handful of witnesses, and a tight control of public info regarding the subject with an impartial jury. Every detail about Hillsborough is already public record, and it's already clear beyond all reasonable doubt who and what is responsible. The trial is a legal requirement for show, that's all.


If its a legal requirement then how can you describe it as 'for show'? Is that not due process?

People have to be tried before being convicted.
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David Duckenfield WILL face trial over manslaughter ...

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/david...

2 hours ago · David Duckenfield will face trial in connection with the Hillsborough disaster, as expected. The 73-year-old, who was match commander at the tragic 1989 FA Cup semi-final, faces 95 counts of ...

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Breaking news from Preston Crown Court, the jury have failed to reach a verdict on the manslaughter by gross negligence charges against David Duckenfield, whilst Graham Mackrell has been convicted on the health and safety charges.
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Sounds like an application for a re-trial will be made later today so people should be careful about commenting on this. 
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Re-trial of David Duckenfield to go ahead in October. Clap
 
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Sickening. 96 people unlawfully killed and not one person deemed responsible. The British establishment once again protecting their own. When you see this and look at what the likes of Dominic Cummings is saying about the UK government today (and consider the fact he was given the influence he had), it really does expose how ordinary people are treated in the UK 
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