George Hook

Your coming at this purely from a legal perspective. If the chap had been found guilty, obviously he is 100% responsible regardless of the victims behaviour.

Hooks poorly worded comments were from a more practical advice perspective.

About a year ago the guards put out a media campaign aimed specifically at young men out socialising regarding violence and assault. Included were guidelines like stay with friends, avoid large groups that kind of thing. No one saw a problem with this, nor should they.

I know there was some nonsense about comparing lesser crimes to rape earlier in the thread. Nobody was actually doing that, they were merely pointing out that advise on reducing the risk of bad things happening to people is legitimate.

Hook used the word blame specifically - "is there no blame on....". So SuperDaves points are totally correct.

Saying to someone to be careful before they do something (like a one night stand) is very very different to saying afterwards about a victim that she should have been more careful / perhaps is partially to blame.

Hook's comments are the words of someone who believes any woman who has a one night stand is inherently somehow blameworthy and less deserving of sympathy. Pretending he was only talking about being careful is pathetic when he expressly talked about where the blame for a rape lies.

BrenC wrote: Hook's comments are the words of someone who believes any woman who has a one night stand is inherently somehow blameworthy and less deserving of sympathy. Pretending he was only talking about being careful is pathetic when he expressly talked about where the blame for a rape lies.

greenforever wrote: SuperDave84 wrote: Let me be very clear here then. If you are saying the victim should have been more careful, which is what you are saying, you are saying she is partly responsible. If you are saying the victim is partly responsible, which you thus are, you are saying the rapist is less than 100% responsible. If you are saying the rapist is less than 100% responsible, you are an apologist for rape. There's one person responsible, and it's the rapist. Blaming the victim is disgusting. Which one of those three statements do you disagree with? One logically follows from the last. So to advise people to be careful is a crime - Correct, it's not a crime Thank god your not a parent - You're* and also, this coming from a man who is a parent (not me, you) you don't come out of this whole situation looking too good Hook was not talking to a vicgim he was talking to a radio audience - He was talking to an audience about a victim saying should she not have been more careful, which is trying to blame her for putting herself in that situation The fact he is a repulsive individual is irrelevant Why do we have awareness campaigns for road safety and other issues but to advise people - Making people aware that using their phone and speeding kills is a fact. Your advice that she should have gone back to her own room because it would have decreased her chances of being raped is f**king stupid It does make the people behind the awareness campaign apologists for criminals  Have you never told any of your friends to be careful ? - Everyone is aware they need to be careful in life but telling someone after they've been raped they should have been more careful is 100% the opposite of what you're saying here

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