George Hook

Even the mighty marketing men of the Rugby fraternity, who have done such a sterling job keeping coverage of the Paddy Jackson/Stuart Olding alleged rape case to an absolute minimum, would have bother pulling Hook out of this mess, which is entirely of his own making. He's a beaten docket, good riddance to the spoofer. 

His previous comments on rape were, arguably, worse. What did he say about the girl who was raped by her boyfriend? Something along the lines of there being 'implied consent' when you share a bed.I have shared a bed with heterosexual members of the same sex, I suppose I would have deserved to be rogered too, eh George? Anybody who tries to defend Hook on this deserves is a f**king clown.

bhob wrote: I'm not missing the point.   You cannot simply say oh she's not to blame but she needs to be more aware and careful. They don't go hand in hand in the slightest. Either you're blaming her somewhat and saying she needs to be more careful or you're not blaming her at all.

They're two different things.

Shedite wrote: Hook's point was if you walked down a dark alley in a dodgy area late at night and had your phone stolen, what would the response be? You'd say you should have been more careful and not put yourself in that position. Not the guy who stole your phone is the only one who committed a crime and will hopefully be prosecuted, but the crime wouldn't have happened if you weren't there

bhob wrote: Exactly PM.   Shedite, if you knew someone who was raped after going to a strangers hotel room, would you sit down with them and say I know it's not your fault, he's 100% to blame but you should have been more careful and not put yourself in that situation?

I wonder what the reaction would be if it was a man who was being raped, by another man, after a one night stand. Would we consider him responsible for his own safety?

Erci Bristow the head of the victim support group in Runcorn said: A good kick in the bollix and a full scrotum rip move would sort out any situation. And girls for goodness sake wear a hard hat and torch when walking home at night.  

sid waddell wrote: The reactionary right loves to talk about "personal responsibility".  Yet in the case of rape, they often seem strangely eager to apportion blame to the victim, rather than hold the person actually responsible to account. Hook's rant claimed to be about "personal responsibility" (the "personal responsibility" of a victim, not a criminal). Yet the reactionary right are completely blind to the idea that, as a national radio presenter, Hook himself might have had any personal responsibility to not perpetuate a 19th century misogynist worldview, which is simply wrong. In any sense of the word. The reactionary right loves to talk about "freedom".  Yet in this case, it's all "she shouldn't have put herself in that position", and that any "women who put themselves in danger" must accept blame should they be the victim of a horrific crime. This is quite clearly an anti-freedom view. So it would appear to me that the reactionary right actually believe the opposite of what they preach.  That or they just hate women. Or both.

Agree 100% with this. 

The likes of Hook believe in freedom as long as some people are more free than others. 

bhob wrote: It's amazing how the like of GF who couldn't help but try defend the comments made by Hook are now nowhere to be seen in this thread

bhob wrote: Ok so here we go again making ridiculous comparisons between rape and drunk driving I don't have a daughter but if I did my advise wouldn't be anything, it would instead be consoling and counselling as that's the only thing that might slightly help.   You seem to think if she had of gone to her own room she wouldn't have been raped. Like there is some sort of magical force around her room that would have prevented that from happening.     "We are always taught to be careful growing up" we are also all taught not to rape anyone so why should it matter how careful she was or wasn't, she's not in the wrong here in the slightest and you can't seem to understand that or at least you pretend to but go back to how she could have been more careful.

Spot on.
Some of the responses on this thread aren't just baffling, they are genuinely disturbing.