Gazza

So not Israel /palestine .....I,ll get my coat

It was all over FB the other nite that a Q&A with Gazza in some club in the north of England was ended after 15mins as he was speaking incoherently due to be being wasted

Sad Sad stuff , how he was never managed properly disgusts me

Edited by tonyjaa - 02 Feb 2013 at 10:31am

tonyjaa wrote: It was all over FB the other nite that a Q&A with Gazza in some club in the north of England was ended after 15mins as he was speaking incoherently due to be being wasted Sad Sad stuff , how he was never managed properly disgusts me

You should read what fergie wrote about him. it was very interesting. he tried to sign him in the 80s and he reckoned he d have gotten him on the straight and narrow, improved his lifestyle and off the drink if he played for united. he probably would have and all

If he does pass away, may I be the first to say I hope I inherit his daughters boobs

irishmufc wrote: tonyjaa wrote: It was all over FB the other nite that a Q&A with Gazza in some club in the north of England was ended after 15mins as he was speaking incoherently due to be being wasted Sad Sad stuff , how he was never managed properly disgusts me You should read what fergie wrote about him. it was very interesting. he tried to sign him in the 80s and he reckoned he d have gotten him on the straight and narrow, improved his lifestyle and off the drink if he played for united. he probably would have and all

http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/paul-gascoigne-charity-gig-like-being-at-funeral-1-2772929

sad stuff

as u were saying about his mental state , ive read the autobiographies (gazzas is feckin hilarious , his italy stories are legendary)Fergie wouldve ironed him out.

I will be typically vilified for this but Glasgow Rangers managed him so fecking badly , buying him a lodge on loch lomond were he drank himself to sleep most nights whilst playing up to his party persona in the media, bastas the lotta them.

I fecking liked gascoigne man, central midfield dribblers are hard to come by in the modern game.

Edited by tonyjaa - 03 Feb 2013 at 1:22am

Being so thin is a sign of a bad illness

not good

Hope Gazza is ok,any addiction to over come is hard work and i dont think he has much will power (to say the least) just read a post above about fergie talking sh*te,he didnt do any thing for  paul mcgrath apart from damage his confidence.Paul Mcgrath seemed to have genuine problems gazza just seems like a clown who likes attention dont think Paul was in to drugs  

The Sun have a video of that very night i was referring to, he is worse then i thought - pretty upsetting viewing

as u all know i will never post a link to the sun on ybig or anywhere for that matter

irishmufc wrote: Del-Piero wrote: irishmufc wrote: tonyjaa wrote: It was all over FB the other nite that a Q&A with Gazza in some club in the north of England was ended after 15mins as he was speaking incoherently due to be being wasted Sad Sad stuff , how he was never managed properly disgusts me You should read what fergie wrote about him. it was very interesting. he tried to sign him in the 80s and he reckoned he d have gotten him on the straight and narrow, improved his lifestyle and off the drink if he played for united. he probably would have and all It's very easy for Fergie to say he could have saved him but I don't agree with it. He didn't exactly get Paul McGrath on the path to redemption around the same era. Years later he reflected a different approach might have worked. Hindsight is a great thing. Would he have really set him on the straight and narrow? I doubt it. He has a problem that is much more serious than anything on a football pitch. Walter Smith would have been no pushover back in his first spell over Rangers. There's a quote in Gazza's book from him. Gascoigne referred to him as a father figure, Smith said he'd never hit his own children, but he'd often wanted to hit Gazza on ocassion. Graham Taylor or McGrath, not sure which one, said as much in Back From The Brink, that it was wishful thinking that Paul would have stayed healthy had Taylor not taken the England job. With respect Del Piero you re being unfair to fergie in regards to McGrath.There's more to it than that. As far as I remember he wrote that He completely got rid of the drink culture at united that was accepted under Atkinson.McGrath, Whiteside and Robson were drinking too much and he needed to break trinity up. According to that article below it was for football reasons as fergie couldnt rely on their fitness. fergie in his autobiography i think wrote how he inherited this heavy drink culture at united and it was best for whiteside and mcgrath to move on whether it was their fitness or lifestyle. Fergie said how McGrath needed the change of scenery. If fergie brought in gazza, it'd be his player and therefore i think he'd have handled him better and maybe would ve been a success. Fergie handled volatile fellas like Cantona and Keano so i think he probably would ve been successful with gazza. He's one of the best man managers there ever was http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8870801/Sir-Alex-Fergusons-sale-of-Paul-McGrath-and-Norman-Whiteside-kickstarted-Manchester-United-revolution.html

http://www.ybig.ie/forum/new_reply_form.asp?Quote=1&PID=1128707&PN=1&TR=17

OK, I realise it was unfair the way I referenced McGrath and Fergie. However, I still think its wishful thinking he would have made a difference.

He is one of the great man managers of course. I'm not debating that. But he's not God, every piece of copper he touches doesn't turn to gold when it comes to this. For example Ravel Morrison had his off-field problems didn't he?

Keane and Cantona, examples you mentioned, are very different cases to Gazza to be fair. Yes they were volatile, but compare and contrast the off-field problems these players had. Are they as extreme as Gazza?

He referred to Smith as a father figure, still went off the rails. He also worked with Venables, noted for his man-management skills if not his tactical genius. Still behaved the way he did. What I'm saying is that for all the man management skills managers have, I don't think they could have saved him really.

It is a shame cause he was bloody excellent footballer. Rangers had a great side that won them 8 and 9 in a row, Laudrup and Gazza were the driving force behind those sides and some of the stuff they played was sublime.

Some players have been lucky to defeat their demons, but Gazza isn't one of them