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Originally posted by Block301 Block301 wrote:

Originally posted by Godzilla Godzilla wrote:

Ultimately, one passed the ball more accurately than the other. A Rafa Benítez fact.

Both keepers were more than happy to boot it long. They both were poor at it. Bazunu still passed the ball more accurately overall with a higher volume of passes too.
Bazunu had "a higher volume of passes" because the ball came to him more often.   Do you think that's a reflection on his ability as a keeper?

Do you think if, say, Belgium closed down the short pass outlet better than Switzerland (forcing Kelleher to go long more often) that that reflects on the keeper too?

Your bottom line that Kelleher isn't necessarily being better on the ball than Bazunu is fine.   But that's no excuse to mis-use stats.

You are the one misusing stats you gobsh*te. I'm not wasting any further energy on you.

You have a clear agenda.
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Originally posted by Godzilla Godzilla wrote:

Originally posted by Block301 Block301 wrote:

Originally posted by Godzilla Godzilla wrote:

Ultimately, one passed the ball more accurately than the other. A Rafa Benítez fact.

Both keepers were more than happy to boot it long. They both were poor at it. Bazunu still passed the ball more accurately overall with a higher volume of passes too.
Bazunu had "a higher volume of passes" because the ball came to him more often.   Do you think that's a reflection on his ability as a keeper?

Do you think if, say, Belgium closed down the short pass outlet better than Switzerland (forcing Kelleher to go long more often) that that reflects on the keeper too?

Your bottom line that Kelleher isn't necessarily being better on the ball than Bazunu is fine.   But that's no excuse to mis-use stats.

You are the one misusing stats you gobsh*te. I'm not wasting any further energy on you.

You have a clear agenda.
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Originally posted by Godzilla Godzilla wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Distribution isn’t one of Bazunus issues. ball playing goal keepers will make those dodgy passes every now and then when they try and pass out. Kelleher did something similar the other night although not quite as bad.

Lots of talk about Kelleher needing to get out of Liverpool but Bazunu really needs to try and kick on from Southampton in the summer if they don’t go up.

A season down the Championship has been good for him to regain some confidence as last year really hurt his confidence. You’d like to see him get into a top level League this summer. 

If Southampton's GK coaches aren't going to address his positioning in terms facing of long distance shots, he should hire his own personal one to work on it. It's his main weakness.

Lots of footballers work with personal trainers and specialists outside of club training now. I know a lot of Irish players work with Training121 coaches in Dublin. They put videos up on TikTok.
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Originally posted by Godzilla Godzilla wrote:

You are the one misusing stats you gobsh*te. I'm not wasting any further energy on you.

You have a clear agenda.
Good argument, well made.

Here's another scenario - we seemed to pass backwards more often against the Swiss than against Belgium.   Defenders got on the ball, didn't see a forward pass - better Swiss marking, or maybe we missed Ogbene as an outlet - and went back to the keeper more often.   Bazunu, under no pressure, quite rightly plays a short pass out to the opposite wing to try get play moving again.

Result - he has more short passes, giving your "higher accuracy" stat, which as we can see is really just a factor of how the game went and not a measure of the two keepers
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yeah the 2nd he conceded today was poor. should be behind Kelleher in the pecking order now. On the face of it another rough season for Bazunu. Hopefully it'll stand to him in time.
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He's conceded a sh*tload in that Southampton side ...terrible move for him in hindsight and probably set him back a few years if he can get back but he's still a kid in keeper terms
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yeah the 2nd he conceded today was poor. should be behind Kelleher in the pecking order now. On the face of it another rough season for Bazunu. Hopefully it'll stand to him in time.

1st goal maybe, thought 2 and 3 were hard to save. Similar enough to the ones CK conceded against Anthony and Diallo the other week, actually. First was near post which isn't great, but was a rocket tbf
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Originally posted by rebelbrowser rebelbrowser wrote:

Originally posted by 84ccfc84 84ccfc84 wrote:

yeah the 2nd he conceded today was poor. should be behind Kelleher in the pecking order now. On the face of it another rough season for Bazunu. Hopefully it'll stand to him in time.

1st goal maybe, thought 2 and 3 were hard to save. Similar enough to the ones CK conceded against Anthony and Diallo the other week, actually. First was near post which isn't great, but was a rocket tbf




There’s absolutely no way he should be conceding that first goal…he actually dived under it.the 2nd was an early hit so no chance for him but the 3rd he should be doing better.his positioning at times is very suspect plus he always seems to be a few yards off his line all the time when conceding which makes the save even harder.
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Originally posted by 84ccfc84 84ccfc84 wrote:

https://x.com/TheStatsSaint/status/1774902967428124718?s=20


That's not great. Think he had bad stats last season too. I don't understand those metrics tbh and would prefer to judge a player on what my eyes see. He certainly looks a far better keeper to me than those stats - but in the data obsessed world these guys now operate in, Gavin needs to improve his stats or his career will go nowhere.
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Originally posted by rebelbrowser rebelbrowser wrote:

Originally posted by 84ccfc84 84ccfc84 wrote:

https://x.com/TheStatsSaint/status/1774902967428124718?s=20


That's not great. Think he had bad stats last season too. I don't understand those metrics tbh and would prefer to judge a player on what my eyes see. He certainly looks a far better keeper to me than those stats - but in the data obsessed world these guys now operate in, Gavin needs to improve his stats or his career will go nowhere.

i think with last season you just give him a pass , first PL season, terrible defence in front of him which is a good enough excuse even if his numbers were awful. dont think he'll get away with that this year now the tables have turned and Southampton are hoping to go up. you really need your keeper to dig you out of a hole when you are chasing honours. saints fans seem to have lost patience with him after yesterday. whether they go up or down i think the summer could see him replaced.  
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(Turn around, Bazunu)
Every now and then Southampton fall apart
(Turn around, Bazunu)
Every now and then Southampton fall apart

And I need Bazunu tonight
And I need you more than ever
And if you only keep it tight
The Saints will be holding on forever
And he'll only be making it right 'cause the pass completion will never be wrong
Together we can take promotion to the end of the line
Kelleher is like a shadow on him all of the time
(All of the time)
I don't know what to do and I'm always in the dark
Defense is a powder keg and Manning's giving off sparks
I really need Bazunu tonight, title challenge gonna start tonight
(Title challenge's gonna start tonight)

Turn around, Bazunu...
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I think people are being overly critical on Bazunu yesterday.  First
Goal he could have done better but on a near post shot that is the one place where a striker can beat the keeper high and hard into the roof of the net.  The other two I wouldn’t blame him at all for him.  They were past him before he could see it due to bodies in the way etc.  
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It seems that at least one of Bazunu and Kelleher must be denounced as sh*t at all times LOL
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2-3 years ago, there was a feeling we had an absolute worldie of a goalkeeper on our hands. Like many young players, time has also brought a reality check. He's very good goalkeeper, but I don't see him reaching the the consistent high standards of peak Shay Given. 
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We have two top keepers both 25 and under. It's the absolute least of our concerns.

Caoimhin is getting game time finally and shining. Bazunu has been playing every week since he was he was a teenager, taking his lumps and learning. It's so far down our list of concerns, I don't bother myself worrying about it. I'm happy with either starting any game for us.


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Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

2-3 years ago, there was a feeling we had an absolute worldie of a goalkeeper on our hands. Like many young players, time has also brought a reality check. He's very good goalkeeper, but I don't see him reaching the the consistent high standards of peak Shay Given. 
Given was yesterday's Bazunu. There was similar outrage and haughtiness on display whenever anyone dared criticise him or fault him for anything back in the day. This is back when City got the money to upgrade on him with Joe Hart and went from strength to strength. Given was a solid PL goalkeeper which, at his current rate of progress, Bazunu would be doing very well to match. There's a few similarities in there - Given didn't command his area, delegated to his defense, covered up his inadequacies with a tendency to the Hollywood save for the cameras. There's no way Southampton will win the playoffs but they'll be looking to replace him either way, I suspect. The competition might be good for him because he hasn't had an adequate option pushing him from the bench this season, which is why he's kept his place in the team. Oppo teams are clearly cottoning on and beginning to target him with shots from range like France did a year ago.
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poor for the 2nd goal today. seems to have a bit of a problem getting down quick enough to his left. conceded a similar goal a few weeks ago too. been a rough enough year for him. could see a move in the summer regardless of southampton getting promoted or not

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