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Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 9:09am |
Will mean some kids miss out on having qualified coaches
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Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 9:18am |
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Will mean some kids miss out on having qualified coaches |
Hopefully more kids around the country are afforded that opportunity as a result but it probably won't work that way!
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Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 9:25am |
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How much difference will this make?
Dublin GAA CEO John Costello has criticised the GAA’s decision to cut Dublin’s funding by a staggering €450,000 per year, with job losses and sale of assets on the table. Dublin have typically received the most funding, due to the size of its population, but it set to be hit hardest by the GAA’s funding re-shuffle.
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Dublin for years received more funding per person then other counties for no other reason then bias. And the whole develop the city argument doesn't hold up, when you look what cities like Belfast, cork, Derry, Limerick etc were getting from the gaa compared to Dublin. Everyone outside Dublin considered second class citizens for at least 20 years.
Joke of a system which has aided Dublins dominance so a reduction in funding to Dublin can only be a good thing. Unless you want even more super clubs like crokes who barely even celebrate after winning a Leinster title.
I'm just glad they were sh*te enough at hurling so they didn't dominate that aswell.
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Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 9:34am |
thebronze14 wrote:
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Will mean some kids miss out on having qualified coaches |
Hopefully more kids around the country are afforded that opportunity as a result but it probably won't work that way! |
Am fairly sure it won't. Now, I'm not a total expert on this but what I've been told is that the coaches in Dublin are subsidised through fundraising as well as central funds. So, that option should also be there for other counties.
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Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 9:40am |
eireland wrote:
Double Maxim wrote:
How much difference will this make?
Dublin GAA CEO John Costello has criticised the GAA’s decision to cut Dublin’s funding by a staggering €450,000 per year, with job losses and sale of assets on the table. Dublin have typically received the most funding, due to the size of its population, but it set to be hit hardest by the GAA’s funding re-shuffle.
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Dublin for years received more funding per person then other counties for no other reason then bias. And the whole develop the city argument doesn't hold up, when you look what cities like Belfast, cork, Derry, Limerick etc were getting from the gaa compared to Dublin. Everyone outside Dublin considered second class citizens for at least 20 years.
Joke of a system which has aided Dublins dominance so a reduction in funding to Dublin can only be a good thing. Unless you want even more super clubs like crokes who barely even celebrate after winning a Leinster title.
I'm just glad they were sh*te enough at hurling so they didn't dominate that aswell. |
People viewing this solely through the prism of "Dublin Dominance" are slightly missing the point. An under 10 camogie player having a funded coach has little to do with the amount of All-Irelands the Dublin footballers win.
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Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 12:52pm |
Borussia wrote:
eireland wrote:
Double Maxim wrote:
How much difference will this make?
Dublin GAA CEO John Costello has criticised the GAA’s decision to cut Dublin’s funding by a staggering €450,000 per year, with job losses and sale of assets on the table. Dublin have typically received the most funding, due to the size of its population, but it set to be hit hardest by the GAA’s funding re-shuffle.
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Dublin for years received more funding per person then other counties for no other reason then bias. And the whole develop the city argument doesn't hold up, when you look what cities like Belfast, cork, Derry, Limerick etc were getting from the gaa compared to Dublin. Everyone outside Dublin considered second class citizens for at least 20 years.
Joke of a system which has aided Dublins dominance so a reduction in funding to Dublin can only be a good thing. Unless you want even more super clubs like crokes who barely even celebrate after winning a Leinster title.
I'm just glad they were sh*te enough at hurling so they didn't dominate that aswell. |
People viewing this solely through the prism of "Dublin Dominance" are slightly missing the point. An under 10 camogie player having a funded coach has little to do with the amount of All-Irelands the Dublin footballers win. |
I'm looking through the prism of fairness. Kid's in Dublin getting more funding per kid Vs kids outside Dublin. Kid's in Dublin having more professional coaches per kid then outside of Dublin. And there was a massive imbalance not a small one.
No matter how you look at it Dublin we're privileged for 20 year's and yes a by product of that will be dominance. But the real issue is the privilege, the dominance is Just a negative side effect. The association should be about fairness not helping the rich get richer.
At least the Dublin footballers knew what was up. They referenced their privilege in almost every speech and interview.
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Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 1:53pm |
eireland wrote:
Borussia wrote:
eireland wrote:
Double Maxim wrote:
How much difference will this make?
Dublin GAA CEO John Costello has criticised the GAA’s decision to cut Dublin’s funding by a staggering €450,000 per year, with job losses and sale of assets on the table. Dublin have typically received the most funding, due to the size of its population, but it set to be hit hardest by the GAA’s funding re-shuffle.
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Dublin for years received more funding per person then other counties for no other reason then bias. And the whole develop the city argument doesn't hold up, when you look what cities like Belfast, cork, Derry, Limerick etc were getting from the gaa compared to Dublin. Everyone outside Dublin considered second class citizens for at least 20 years.
Joke of a system which has aided Dublins dominance so a reduction in funding to Dublin can only be a good thing. Unless you want even more super clubs like crokes who barely even celebrate after winning a Leinster title.
I'm just glad they were sh*te enough at hurling so they didn't dominate that aswell. |
People viewing this solely through the prism of "Dublin Dominance" are slightly missing the point. An under 10 camogie player having a funded coach has little to do with the amount of All-Irelands the Dublin footballers win. |
I'm looking through the prism of fairness. Kid's in Dublin getting more funding per kid Vs kids outside Dublin. Kid's in Dublin having more professional coaches per kid then outside of Dublin. And there was a massive imbalance not a small one.
No matter how you look at it Dublin we're privileged for 20 year's and yes a by product of that will be dominance. But the real issue is the privilege, the dominance is Just a negative side effect. The association should be about fairness not helping the rich get richer.
At least the Dublin footballers knew what was up. They referenced their privilege in almost every speech and interview. |
I'm from Cork and have a lot of friends and family involved in clubs there (mainly Nemo). I'm now living in Dublin involved in coaching underage there (St.Vincents). Both systems are absolutely identical from what I've seen so far. Both teams have volunteer coaches, an astro pitch, set of balls/hurleys/helmets and cones.
So far from my view U12's and younger, there's zero difference in the training of kids.
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Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 2:12pm |
Shedite wrote:
eireland wrote:
Borussia wrote:
eireland wrote:
Double Maxim wrote:
How much difference will this make?
Dublin GAA CEO John Costello has criticised the GAA’s decision to cut Dublin’s funding by a staggering €450,000 per year, with job losses and sale of assets on the table. Dublin have typically received the most funding, due to the size of its population, but it set to be hit hardest by the GAA’s funding re-shuffle.
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Dublin for years received more funding per person then other counties for no other reason then bias. And the whole develop the city argument doesn't hold up, when you look what cities like Belfast, cork, Derry, Limerick etc were getting from the gaa compared to Dublin. Everyone outside Dublin considered second class citizens for at least 20 years.
Joke of a system which has aided Dublins dominance so a reduction in funding to Dublin can only be a good thing. Unless you want even more super clubs like crokes who barely even celebrate after winning a Leinster title.
I'm just glad they were sh*te enough at hurling so they didn't dominate that aswell. |
People viewing this solely through the prism of "Dublin Dominance" are slightly missing the point. An under 10 camogie player having a funded coach has little to do with the amount of All-Irelands the Dublin footballers win. |
I'm looking through the prism of fairness. Kid's in Dublin getting more funding per kid Vs kids outside Dublin. Kid's in Dublin having more professional coaches per kid then outside of Dublin. And there was a massive imbalance not a small one.
No matter how you look at it Dublin we're privileged for 20 year's and yes a by product of that will be dominance. But the real issue is the privilege, the dominance is Just a negative side effect. The association should be about fairness not helping the rich get richer.
At least the Dublin footballers knew what was up. They referenced their privilege in almost every speech and interview. | I'm from Cork and have a lot of friends and family involved in clubs there (mainly Nemo). I'm now living in Dublin involved in coaching underage there (St.Vincents). Both systems are absolutely identical from what I've seen so far. Both teams have volunteer coaches, an astro pitch, set of balls/hurleys/helmets and cones.
So far from my view U12's and younger, there's zero difference in the training of kids. |
My limited experience also is that the GDAs/GPOs that work in Dublin a lot of the time are from outside of Dublin and those who work in Dublin often move on elsewhere. Would have encountered GDAs in London who've worked in Dublin and come over. So I don't see how they are any more professional.
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Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 2:20pm |
I'm not advocating maintaining the status quo in terms of funding - I think there is more detail and nuance to finding a solution that works. But I think just a blanket cut will inevitably mean people miss out. And that my not necessarily be at the expense of kids in other counties for example.
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Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 4:28pm |
Borussia wrote:
thebronze14 wrote:
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Will mean some kids miss out on having qualified coaches |
Hopefully more kids around the country are afforded that opportunity as a result but it probably won't work that way! |
Am fairly sure it won't. Now, I'm not a total expert on this but what I've been told is that the coaches in Dublin are subsidised through fundraising as well as central funds. So, that option should also be there for other counties.
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On paper those fundraising/sponsorship opportunities.should be there, but in reality it doesn't work that way. Much smaller population, less disposable income means less money donatedby the average person. A smaller number of local businesses dealing with those very same issues on the customer front, then hit for sponsorship form every local club be it sporting or otherwise. The money just isn't there to sustain funding from those channels.
Many counties just don't have the capability to fundraise and attract sponsors like Dublin can or Cork even.
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Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 4:41pm |
Sham157 wrote:
Borussia wrote:
thebronze14 wrote:
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Will mean some kids miss out on having qualified coaches |
Hopefully more kids around the country are afforded that opportunity as a result but it probably won't work that way! |
Am fairly sure it won't. Now, I'm not a total expert on this but what I've been told is that the coaches in Dublin are subsidised through fundraising as well as central funds. So, that option should also be there for other counties.
| On paper those fundraising/sponsorship opportunities.should be there, but in reality it doesn't work that way. Much smaller population, less disposable income means less money donatedby the average person. A smaller number of local businesses dealing with those very same issues on the customer front, then hit for sponsorship form every local club be it sporting or otherwise. The money just isn't there to sustain funding from those channels.
Many counties just don't have the capability to fundraise and attract sponsors like Dublin can or Cork even. |
And I do get that. If it was up to me I'd be looking at some sort of centralised sponsorship model to try and share around the riches. But I'm not sure how far that sponsorship actually goes in Dublin - As in, is it used to finance the county teams and the remainder used to make up the shortfall in the difference between grants, fundraising and the cost of coaches?
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Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 7:13pm |
Borussia wrote:
I'm not advocating maintaining the status quo in terms of funding - I think there is more detail and nuance to finding a solution that works. But I think just a blanket cut will inevitably mean people miss out. And that my not necessarily be at the expense of kids in other counties for example. |
It's not cutting all funding though just a portion of it. The imbalance is so big it's one of many first steps that need taken to find a fair balance. I'm assuming this money cut from Dublin is going to other counties. If not it's a load of sh*te.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 9:40pm |
Anyone heading down to Croker on Saturday to see the Dubs v Kildare.. Division2 no less. No handball alley unfortunately, but we'll survive. McGrath's beforehand if anyone is around.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 9:49pm |
Sure they might have it as the curtain raiser to Crokes v Glen
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Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 5:54am |
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Sure they might have it as the curtain raiser to Crokes v Glen |
True - Joe Brolly on the rant... wouldn't be the first time 16 men on the pitch....
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Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 9:18am |
baresi41 wrote:
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Sure they might have it as the curtain raiser to Crokes v Glen |
True - Joe Brolly on the rant... wouldn't be the first time 16 men on the pitch.... |
If it was the other way around though, the replay would have been already rescheduled.
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Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 10:53am |
Badgersboys9 wrote:
baresi41 wrote:
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Sure they might have it as the curtain raiser to Crokes v Glen |
True - Joe Brolly on the rant... wouldn't be the first time 16 men on the pitch.... |
If it was the other way around though, the replay would have been already rescheduled. |
Yeah Dublin as a county have always made the most of an appeals process.
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Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 11:54am |
Read that this has happened before and the opposing team were awarded the game, no replay
Also saw this in the GAA rule book, on twitter so may not be that reliable a source
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