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Originally posted by reddladd reddladd wrote:

Bottom line is that if you get your act together with underage coaching etc then if your pool is 1m odd as opposed to Laois’s 60,000 then you’re going to supply a greater number of the Con O’ OCallaghans of this world. You can’t hide from the inequality Re population. 



Totally agree, but the solution to that is not simply cut Dublin into 3 or 4 but its also the almalgation of counties etc.

However i will add look at the work that Monaghan have been doing over the last number of years compared to say Kildare or Meath who have huge populations and Cork also. The performance by other Leinster counties with large populations in the qualifiers has been terrible. Meath finally got their act together this year but were also beaten in all of their super 8 games.

But if population size is the basis for reform then the whole thing needs to be looked at and not just Dublin.
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I know loads of lads who live and work in Dublin, but play for their home clubs down the sticks.

There is also a much higher proportion of Dublin's population made up of foreign nationals who haven't, or don't, play the sport.

We also have much bigger competition from other sports in Dublin than you do outside of the capital.

If Dublin's success was based purely on population, then our hurlers would be champions too. 
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Originally posted by reddladd reddladd wrote:

The way things are going the system is broke. We have an All Black team in an amateur game. The dubs have taken things to a level that counties cant aspire to. Even genuine Gaa people in Dublin can see the way the game is going. A one horse game is not worth watching. Best of luck with the drive for six. 

Agree 100% i stopped going after 2011 as the bandwagon started to come on board people who were never there before and didn’t have a clue about it. Totally unfair system now the Gaa made a right mess of it tbh

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If possession football becomes a real problem they may introduce a similar rule to basketball where they have a shoot clock. 24 seconds of having possession before the team must at least have a shot. 

It is very difficult to take the ball of a team that is playing possession football, you are kind of relying on them to make a mistake. 
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The amalgamation/division of counties is never gonna happen IMO.

The gap will balance out, it happens to all the great teams. Gavin and Cluxton gone this year? Big boots to fill, they haven't been in a minor final in 7 years, u20s haven't exactly been dominant either. This is a once in a generation team, lets see how they get on next year. Clifford and O'Shea are 20/21

If I was to make any rule change, I'd reduce the number of subs, that would be a help to the weaker counties.
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The problem for the smaller counties is that the bigger counties population wise will eventually catch up with Dublin in terms of player development Cork are going in the right direction and will be very competitive might take 2 or 3 years for this to start make an impression at adult level but once there they will have a supply of talent year on year like the dubs do currently and you can be sure other counties won’t be be doing like wise.
All this will do is make the gap larger between big and small counties.

And high light the fact that the GAA is not played on a level playing field 
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The amalgamation/division of counties is never gonna happen IMO.

The gap will balance out, it happens to all the great teams. Gavin and Cluxton gone this year? Big boots to fill, they haven't been in a minor final in 7 years, u20s haven't exactly been dominant either. This is a once in a generation team, lets see how they get on next year. Clifford and O'Shea are 20/21

If I was to make any rule change, I'd reduce the number of subs, that would be a help to the weaker counties.

People seem to forget that for most of the last decade both codes were dominated by four counties, some finals were total washouts in terms of competitiveness and rather than sounding the death knell, a form of Ludovico technique was employed in the narrative as it was demanded that we watch and “enjoy” this brilliance. 10 years later this same phenomenon is occurring, yet the narrative is one of traducement. Remarkably, in football, the noughties gave us the same number of different winners as we got this decade. And the “also rans” of the noughties such as Dublin and Mayo were hammered on several occasions by the ultimate winners.

Sport is cyclical, and if you look at the detail Dublin have been exceptionally consistent in terms of the players they have used. Gavin has found versatility in many players, and he has introduced 2-3 different styles of football in his 7 years in charge. It’s a golden generation, but age catches up with players. Many of our key players are now in their 30s, and our goalkeeper who is so important to the way Dublin play is 38. As you say, at under-age level there has not been total dominance and only the next decade or so will tell us if football is in crisis, or if like in the last decade, it was dominated by the best, and just in this case, this extraordinary group of players will move on, and it will open up the field.
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Also it’s a myth to think that football was an open comp. that only happened in the 90. 

70s was Dublin and Kerry,  the early 80s was Kerry and late 80s was Meath and Cork.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Also it’s a myth to think that football was an open comp. that only happened in the 90. 

70s was Dublin and Kerry,  the early 80s was Kerry and late 80s was Meath and Cork.

The 1990s was an exceptional time for both sports, and it was festooned with great players and managers. Underestimating Gavin’s influence would be an exceptional mistake. Great managers in the 1990s made the difference along with a countrywide selection of footballing and hurling greats.

Also, this decline in competitiveness at provincial level (particularly Leinster) has been ongoing well before the arrival of Jim Gavin or development funding. Dublin have had Leinster in its hands for almost 15 years, and more often than not, the road to Leinster was relatively straightforward save for a few mentions.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Also it’s a myth to think that football was an open comp. that only happened in the 90. 

70s was Dublin and Kerry,  the early 80s was Kerry and late 80s was Meath and Cork.

The 1990s was an exceptional time for both sports, and it was festooned with great players and managers. Underestimating Gavin’s influence would be an exceptional mistake. Great managers in the 1990s made the difference along with a countrywide selection of footballing and hurling greats.

Also, this decline in competitiveness at provincial level (particularly Leinster) has been ongoing well before the arrival of Jim Gavin or development funding. Dublin have had Leinster in its hands for almost 15 years, and more often than not, the road to Leinster was relatively straightforward save for a few mentions.

The problem with Dublin is after 04 when westmeath beat them bertie had a big fund allocated to them. The level of professionalism around the team increased and they started winning Leinsters again although not always easily. The GAA openly admitted they needed a strong Dublin and leinster council obviously wanted them in the leinster semi and final to boost the coffers. So it's no surprise Dublin got so many close decisions that helped them win close matches from 05 to 09. By the time 2011 came about the conveyor of underage talent had begun and they've not lost a leinster title since.

It's all well and good saying Dublin should be getting funding to boost numbers but why did they get 16 times that of cork or Antrim when their population isn't even 3 times bigger then them. Not only are you disproportionately boosting GAA in Dublin but football is not gaining popularity as fast as it should be outside Dublin. Soccer is gaining a foothold locally in counties such as meath and Kildare amongst others. 

Not Dublins fault obviously but the GAA made a right balls of a very competitive competition since the 80's. They're very lucky the hurling has gone the other way but would want to be careful they don't do to Dublin/Cork in hurling what they did to the Dubs in football. 
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Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Also it’s a myth to think that football was an open comp. that only happened in the 90. 

70s was Dublin and Kerry,  the early 80s was Kerry and late 80s was Meath and Cork.

The 1990s was an exceptional time for both sports, and it was festooned with great players and managers. Underestimating Gavin’s influence would be an exceptional mistake. Great managers in the 1990s made the difference along with a countrywide selection of footballing and hurling greats.

Also, this decline in competitiveness at provincial level (particularly Leinster) has been ongoing well before the arrival of Jim Gavin or development funding. Dublin have had Leinster in its hands for almost 15 years, and more often than not, the road to Leinster was relatively straightforward save for a few mentions.

The problem with Dublin is after 04 when westmeath beat them bertie had a big fund allocated to them. The level of professionalism around the team increased and they started winning Leinsters again although not always easily. The GAA openly admitted they needed a strong Dublin and leinster council obviously wanted them in the leinster semi and final to boost the coffers. So it's no surprise Dublin got so many close decisions that helped them win close matches from 05 to 09. By the time 2011 came about the conveyor of underage talent had begun and they've not lost a leinster title since.

It's all well and good saying Dublin should be getting funding to boost numbers but why did they get 16 times that of cork or Antrim when their population isn't even 3 times bigger then them. Not only are you disproportionately boosting GAA in Dublin but football is not gaining popularity as fast as it should be outside Dublin. Soccer is gaining a foothold locally in counties such as meath and Kildare amongst others. 

Not Dublins fault obviously but the GAA made a right balls of a very competitive competition since the 80's. They're very lucky the hurling has gone the other way but would want to be careful they don't do to Dublin/Cork in hurling what they did to the Dubs in football. 

What close decisions though? In reality, there are little or none you can pinpoint. The 14 man win against Kildare in 2009’s final? The double digits win against Wexford in 2008? The 9 point win against Offaly in 2006.

Between 2005-2009 Dublin won most things by sheer sweat, and even then that wasn’t good enough. More often then not, their prize for winning Leinster was a QF against a failed giant, who 3 times went on to win the All Ireland that year. They won nothing easily and there was no noticeable decisions which made all the difference. Also hurling was a heavy recipient of any post 05 funding, and spending on the men’s senior team didn’t dramatically increase as a result, certainly not enough o make a difference, and most of the players playing between 05-09 were there before any funding issue arose.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Also it’s a myth to think that football was an open comp. that only happened in the 90. 

70s was Dublin and Kerry,  the early 80s was Kerry and late 80s was Meath and Cork.

The 1990s was an exceptional time for both sports, and it was festooned with great players and managers. Underestimating Gavin’s influence would be an exceptional mistake. Great managers in the 1990s made the difference along with a countrywide selection of footballing and hurling greats.

Also, this decline in competitiveness at provincial level (particularly Leinster) has been ongoing well before the arrival of Jim Gavin or development funding. Dublin have had Leinster in its hands for almost 15 years, and more often than not, the road to Leinster was relatively straightforward save for a few mentions.

The problem with Dublin is after 04 when westmeath beat them bertie had a big fund allocated to them. The level of professionalism around the team increased and they started winning Leinsters again although not always easily. The GAA openly admitted they needed a strong Dublin and leinster council obviously wanted them in the leinster semi and final to boost the coffers. So it's no surprise Dublin got so many close decisions that helped them win close matches from 05 to 09. By the time 2011 came about the conveyor of underage talent had begun and they've not lost a leinster title since.

It's all well and good saying Dublin should be getting funding to boost numbers but why did they get 16 times that of cork or Antrim when their population isn't even 3 times bigger then them. Not only are you disproportionately boosting GAA in Dublin but football is not gaining popularity as fast as it should be outside Dublin. Soccer is gaining a foothold locally in counties such as meath and Kildare amongst others. 

Not Dublins fault obviously but the GAA made a right balls of a very competitive competition since the 80's. They're very lucky the hurling has gone the other way but would want to be careful they don't do to Dublin/Cork in hurling what they did to the Dubs in football. 

What close decisions though? In reality, there are little or none you can pinpoint. The 14 man win against Kildare in 2009’s final? The double digits win against Wexford in 2008? The 9 point win against Offaly in 2006.

Between 2005-2009 Dublin won most things by sheer sweat, and even then that wasn’t good enough. More often then not, their prize for winning Leinster was a QF against a failed giant, who 3 times went on to win the All Ireland that year. They won nothing easily and there was no noticeable decisions which made all the difference. Also hurling was a heavy recipient of any post 05 funding, and spending on the men’s senior team didn’t dramatically increase as a result, certainly not enough o make a difference, and most of the players playing between 05-09 were there before any funding issue arose.

I just remember from watching on TV. Didn't whelan thump someone at the throw in around 2006 and only got a yellow? I remember watching them beat meath in 2007 and got some big decisions. Meath lad dragged down in the box no penalty, meath goal disallowed and Dublin player picked the ball off the ground. Kildare in 2011 robbed at the end when brogan was given a free. Obviously the refs will be swayed by the home crowd and the knowledge the association which hires them prefers if Dublin win.


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Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Also it’s a myth to think that football was an open comp. that only happened in the 90. 

70s was Dublin and Kerry,  the early 80s was Kerry and late 80s was Meath and Cork.

The 1990s was an exceptional time for both sports, and it was festooned with great players and managers. Underestimating Gavin’s influence would be an exceptional mistake. Great managers in the 1990s made the difference along with a countrywide selection of footballing and hurling greats.

Also, this decline in competitiveness at provincial level (particularly Leinster) has been ongoing well before the arrival of Jim Gavin or development funding. Dublin have had Leinster in its hands for almost 15 years, and more often than not, the road to Leinster was relatively straightforward save for a few mentions.

The problem with Dublin is after 04 when westmeath beat them bertie had a big fund allocated to them. The level of professionalism around the team increased and they started winning Leinsters again although not always easily. The GAA openly admitted they needed a strong Dublin and leinster council obviously wanted them in the leinster semi and final to boost the coffers. So it's no surprise Dublin got so many close decisions that helped them win close matches from 05 to 09. By the time 2011 came about the conveyor of underage talent had begun and they've not lost a leinster title since.

It's all well and good saying Dublin should be getting funding to boost numbers but why did they get 16 times that of cork or Antrim when their population isn't even 3 times bigger then them. Not only are you disproportionately boosting GAA in Dublin but football is not gaining popularity as fast as it should be outside Dublin. Soccer is gaining a foothold locally in counties such as meath and Kildare amongst others. 

Not Dublins fault obviously but the GAA made a right balls of a very competitive competition since the 80's. They're very lucky the hurling has gone the other way but would want to be careful they don't do to Dublin/Cork in hurling what they did to the Dubs in football. 

What close decisions though? In reality, there are little or none you can pinpoint. The 14 man win against Kildare in 2009’s final? The double digits win against Wexford in 2008? The 9 point win against Offaly in 2006.

Between 2005-2009 Dublin won most things by sheer sweat, and even then that wasn’t good enough. More often then not, their prize for winning Leinster was a QF against a failed giant, who 3 times went on to win the All Ireland that year. They won nothing easily and there was no noticeable decisions which made all the difference. Also hurling was a heavy recipient of any post 05 funding, and spending on the men’s senior team didn’t dramatically increase as a result, certainly not enough o make a difference, and most of the players playing between 05-09 were there before any funding issue arose.

I just remember from watching on TV. Didn't whelan thump someone at the throw in around 2006 and only got a yellow? I remember watching them beat meath in 2007 and got some big decisions. Meath lad dragged down in the box no penalty, meath goal disallowed and Dublin player picked the ball off the ground. Kildare in 2011 robbed at the end when brogan was given a free. Obviously the refs will be swayed by the home crowd and the knowledge the association which hires them prefers if Dublin win.



What is it with the Brogan free in 2011? He was clearly pulled back as he went for the ball. A simple rush of blood to the head, yes? A foul, yes? Correctly given, yes? McStay’s narrative that day, all wrong. That was a clear and obvious foul. Kildare robbed themselves. In what was their second failure against a 14 man Dublin team over two years.

The Whelan thing was 2005 and a fairly consistent approach. Remember the AI Final in 2009? Also, Dublin won that Meath game by four and had them in their pockets for most of the second half of the replay. And the disallowed goal in the first game was properly called.


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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Also it’s a myth to think that football was an open comp. that only happened in the 90. 

70s was Dublin and Kerry,  the early 80s was Kerry and late 80s was Meath and Cork.

The 1990s was an exceptional time for both sports, and it was festooned with great players and managers. Underestimating Gavin’s influence would be an exceptional mistake. Great managers in the 1990s made the difference along with a countrywide selection of footballing and hurling greats.

Also, this decline in competitiveness at provincial level (particularly Leinster) has been ongoing well before the arrival of Jim Gavin or development funding. Dublin have had Leinster in its hands for almost 15 years, and more often than not, the road to Leinster was relatively straightforward save for a few mentions.

The problem with Dublin is after 04 when westmeath beat them bertie had a big fund allocated to them. The level of professionalism around the team increased and they started winning Leinsters again although not always easily. The GAA openly admitted they needed a strong Dublin and leinster council obviously wanted them in the leinster semi and final to boost the coffers. So it's no surprise Dublin got so many close decisions that helped them win close matches from 05 to 09. By the time 2011 came about the conveyor of underage talent had begun and they've not lost a leinster title since.

It's all well and good saying Dublin should be getting funding to boost numbers but why did they get 16 times that of cork or Antrim when their population isn't even 3 times bigger then them. Not only are you disproportionately boosting GAA in Dublin but football is not gaining popularity as fast as it should be outside Dublin. Soccer is gaining a foothold locally in counties such as meath and Kildare amongst others. 

Not Dublins fault obviously but the GAA made a right balls of a very competitive competition since the 80's. They're very lucky the hurling has gone the other way but would want to be careful they don't do to Dublin/Cork in hurling what they did to the Dubs in football. 

What close decisions though? In reality, there are little or none you can pinpoint. The 14 man win against Kildare in 2009’s final? The double digits win against Wexford in 2008? The 9 point win against Offaly in 2006.

Between 2005-2009 Dublin won most things by sheer sweat, and even then that wasn’t good enough. More often then not, their prize for winning Leinster was a QF against a failed giant, who 3 times went on to win the All Ireland that year. They won nothing easily and there was no noticeable decisions which made all the difference. Also hurling was a heavy recipient of any post 05 funding, and spending on the men’s senior team didn’t dramatically increase as a result, certainly not enough o make a difference, and most of the players playing between 05-09 were there before any funding issue arose.

I just remember from watching on TV. Didn't whelan thump someone at the throw in around 2006 and only got a yellow? I remember watching them beat meath in 2007 and got some big decisions. Meath lad dragged down in the box no penalty, meath goal disallowed and Dublin player picked the ball off the ground. Kildare in 2011 robbed at the end when brogan was given a free. Obviously the refs will be swayed by the home crowd and the knowledge the association which hires them prefers if Dublin win.



What is it with the Brogan free in 2011? He was clearly pulled back as he went for the ball. A simple rush of blood to the head, yes? A foul, yes? Correctly given, yes? McStay’s narrative that day, all wrong. That was a clear and obvious foul. Kildare robbed themselves. In what was their second failure against a 14 man Dublin team over two years.

The Whelan thing was 2005 and a fairly consistent approach. Remember the AI Final in 2009? Also, Dublin won that Meath game by four and had them in their pockets for most of the second half of the replay. And the disallowed goal in the first game was properly called.
At no time was that a yellow and showed clear bias towards Dublin at a time the GAA were desperate for Dublin to win. If whelan was sent off in the first minute I'm fairly sure Laois or another county would have won Leinster in 05. 
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Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Also it’s a myth to think that football was an open comp. that only happened in the 90. 

70s was Dublin and Kerry,  the early 80s was Kerry and late 80s was Meath and Cork.

The 1990s was an exceptional time for both sports, and it was festooned with great players and managers. Underestimating Gavin’s influence would be an exceptional mistake. Great managers in the 1990s made the difference along with a countrywide selection of footballing and hurling greats.

Also, this decline in competitiveness at provincial level (particularly Leinster) has been ongoing well before the arrival of Jim Gavin or development funding. Dublin have had Leinster in its hands for almost 15 years, and more often than not, the road to Leinster was relatively straightforward save for a few mentions.

The problem with Dublin is after 04 when westmeath beat them bertie had a big fund allocated to them. The level of professionalism around the team increased and they started winning Leinsters again although not always easily. The GAA openly admitted they needed a strong Dublin and leinster council obviously wanted them in the leinster semi and final to boost the coffers. So it's no surprise Dublin got so many close decisions that helped them win close matches from 05 to 09. By the time 2011 came about the conveyor of underage talent had begun and they've not lost a leinster title since.

It's all well and good saying Dublin should be getting funding to boost numbers but why did they get 16 times that of cork or Antrim when their population isn't even 3 times bigger then them. Not only are you disproportionately boosting GAA in Dublin but football is not gaining popularity as fast as it should be outside Dublin. Soccer is gaining a foothold locally in counties such as meath and Kildare amongst others. 

Not Dublins fault obviously but the GAA made a right balls of a very competitive competition since the 80's. They're very lucky the hurling has gone the other way but would want to be careful they don't do to Dublin/Cork in hurling what they did to the Dubs in football. 

What close decisions though? In reality, there are little or none you can pinpoint. The 14 man win against Kildare in 2009’s final? The double digits win against Wexford in 2008? The 9 point win against Offaly in 2006.

Between 2005-2009 Dublin won most things by sheer sweat, and even then that wasn’t good enough. More often then not, their prize for winning Leinster was a QF against a failed giant, who 3 times went on to win the All Ireland that year. They won nothing easily and there was no noticeable decisions which made all the difference. Also hurling was a heavy recipient of any post 05 funding, and spending on the men’s senior team didn’t dramatically increase as a result, certainly not enough o make a difference, and most of the players playing between 05-09 were there before any funding issue arose.

I just remember from watching on TV. Didn't whelan thump someone at the throw in around 2006 and only got a yellow? I remember watching them beat meath in 2007 and got some big decisions. Meath lad dragged down in the box no penalty, meath goal disallowed and Dublin player picked the ball off the ground. Kildare in 2011 robbed at the end when brogan was given a free. Obviously the refs will be swayed by the home crowd and the knowledge the association which hires them prefers if Dublin win.



What is it with the Brogan free in 2011? He was clearly pulled back as he went for the ball. A simple rush of blood to the head, yes? A foul, yes? Correctly given, yes? McStay’s narrative that day, all wrong. That was a clear and obvious foul. Kildare robbed themselves. In what was their second failure against a 14 man Dublin team over two years.

The Whelan thing was 2005 and a fairly consistent approach. Remember the AI Final in 2009? Also, Dublin won that Meath game by four and had them in their pockets for most of the second half of the replay. And the disallowed goal in the first game was properly called.
At no time was that a yellow and showed clear bias towards Dublin at a time the GAA were desperate for Dublin to win. If whelan was sent off in the first minute I'm fairly sure Laois or another county would have won Leinster in 05. 

Maybe? Maybe not. Dublin may well have won the Meath game with 14 men.  You can’t say either way. Laois has their chance against Dublin and blew it. And if they were that desperate, why not the All Ireland? Why draw them Kerry and Tyrone 3/5 years between 05-09? There was no desperation.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

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Also it’s a myth to think that football was an open comp. that only happened in the 90. 

70s was Dublin and Kerry,  the early 80s was Kerry and late 80s was Meath and Cork.

The 1990s was an exceptional time for both sports, and it was festooned with great players and managers. Underestimating Gavin’s influence would be an exceptional mistake. Great managers in the 1990s made the difference along with a countrywide selection of footballing and hurling greats.

Also, this decline in competitiveness at provincial level (particularly Leinster) has been ongoing well before the arrival of Jim Gavin or development funding. Dublin have had Leinster in its hands for almost 15 years, and more often than not, the road to Leinster was relatively straightforward save for a few mentions.

The problem with Dublin is after 04 when westmeath beat them bertie had a big fund allocated to them. The level of professionalism around the team increased and they started winning Leinsters again although not always easily. The GAA openly admitted they needed a strong Dublin and leinster council obviously wanted them in the leinster semi and final to boost the coffers. So it's no surprise Dublin got so many close decisions that helped them win close matches from 05 to 09. By the time 2011 came about the conveyor of underage talent had begun and they've not lost a leinster title since.

It's all well and good saying Dublin should be getting funding to boost numbers but why did they get 16 times that of cork or Antrim when their population isn't even 3 times bigger then them. Not only are you disproportionately boosting GAA in Dublin but football is not gaining popularity as fast as it should be outside Dublin. Soccer is gaining a foothold locally in counties such as meath and Kildare amongst others. 

Not Dublins fault obviously but the GAA made a right balls of a very competitive competition since the 80's. They're very lucky the hurling has gone the other way but would want to be careful they don't do to Dublin/Cork in hurling what they did to the Dubs in football. 

What close decisions though? In reality, there are little or none you can pinpoint. The 14 man win against Kildare in 2009’s final? The double digits win against Wexford in 2008? The 9 point win against Offaly in 2006.

Between 2005-2009 Dublin won most things by sheer sweat, and even then that wasn’t good enough. More often then not, their prize for winning Leinster was a QF against a failed giant, who 3 times went on to win the All Ireland that year. They won nothing easily and there was no noticeable decisions which made all the difference. Also hurling was a heavy recipient of any post 05 funding, and spending on the men’s senior team didn’t dramatically increase as a result, certainly not enough o make a difference, and most of the players playing between 05-09 were there before any funding issue arose.

I just remember from watching on TV. Didn't whelan thump someone at the throw in around 2006 and only got a yellow? I remember watching them beat meath in 2007 and got some big decisions. Meath lad dragged down in the box no penalty, meath goal disallowed and Dublin player picked the ball off the ground. Kildare in 2011 robbed at the end when brogan was given a free. Obviously the refs will be swayed by the home crowd and the knowledge the association which hires them prefers if Dublin win.



What is it with the Brogan free in 2011? He was clearly pulled back as he went for the ball. A simple rush of blood to the head, yes? A foul, yes? Correctly given, yes? McStay’s narrative that day, all wrong. That was a clear and obvious foul. Kildare robbed themselves. In what was their second failure against a 14 man Dublin team over two years.

The Whelan thing was 2005 and a fairly consistent approach. Remember the AI Final in 2009? Also, Dublin won that Meath game by four and had them in their pockets for most of the second half of the replay. And the disallowed goal in the first game was properly called.
That was never a free in 2011, joke of a decision
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Originally posted by Croftman Croftman wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Also it’s a myth to think that football was an open comp. that only happened in the 90. 

70s was Dublin and Kerry,  the early 80s was Kerry and late 80s was Meath and Cork.

The 1990s was an exceptional time for both sports, and it was festooned with great players and managers. Underestimating Gavin’s influence would be an exceptional mistake. Great managers in the 1990s made the difference along with a countrywide selection of footballing and hurling greats.

Also, this decline in competitiveness at provincial level (particularly Leinster) has been ongoing well before the arrival of Jim Gavin or development funding. Dublin have had Leinster in its hands for almost 15 years, and more often than not, the road to Leinster was relatively straightforward save for a few mentions.

The problem with Dublin is after 04 when westmeath beat them bertie had a big fund allocated to them. The level of professionalism around the team increased and they started winning Leinsters again although not always easily. The GAA openly admitted they needed a strong Dublin and leinster council obviously wanted them in the leinster semi and final to boost the coffers. So it's no surprise Dublin got so many close decisions that helped them win close matches from 05 to 09. By the time 2011 came about the conveyor of underage talent had begun and they've not lost a leinster title since.

It's all well and good saying Dublin should be getting funding to boost numbers but why did they get 16 times that of cork or Antrim when their population isn't even 3 times bigger then them. Not only are you disproportionately boosting GAA in Dublin but football is not gaining popularity as fast as it should be outside Dublin. Soccer is gaining a foothold locally in counties such as meath and Kildare amongst others. 

Not Dublins fault obviously but the GAA made a right balls of a very competitive competition since the 80's. They're very lucky the hurling has gone the other way but would want to be careful they don't do to Dublin/Cork in hurling what they did to the Dubs in football. 

What close decisions though? In reality, there are little or none you can pinpoint. The 14 man win against Kildare in 2009’s final? The double digits win against Wexford in 2008? The 9 point win against Offaly in 2006.

Between 2005-2009 Dublin won most things by sheer sweat, and even then that wasn’t good enough. More often then not, their prize for winning Leinster was a QF against a failed giant, who 3 times went on to win the All Ireland that year. They won nothing easily and there was no noticeable decisions which made all the difference. Also hurling was a heavy recipient of any post 05 funding, and spending on the men’s senior team didn’t dramatically increase as a result, certainly not enough o make a difference, and most of the players playing between 05-09 were there before any funding issue arose.

I just remember from watching on TV. Didn't whelan thump someone at the throw in around 2006 and only got a yellow? I remember watching them beat meath in 2007 and got some big decisions. Meath lad dragged down in the box no penalty, meath goal disallowed and Dublin player picked the ball off the ground. Kildare in 2011 robbed at the end when brogan was given a free. Obviously the refs will be swayed by the home crowd and the knowledge the association which hires them prefers if Dublin win.



What is it with the Brogan free in 2011? He was clearly pulled back as he went for the ball. A simple rush of blood to the head, yes? A foul, yes? Correctly given, yes? McStay’s narrative that day, all wrong. That was a clear and obvious foul. Kildare robbed themselves. In what was their second failure against a 14 man Dublin team over two years.

The Whelan thing was 2005 and a fairly consistent approach. Remember the AI Final in 2009? Also, Dublin won that Meath game by four and had them in their pockets for most of the second half of the replay. And the disallowed goal in the first game was properly called.
That was never a free in 2011, joke of a decision

Yes it was. The pull back on Brogan’s shirt was blatant. You pull the shirt, a free is awarded against you.

Why was it a joke?
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Just had a watch of it again there on YouTube - the sort of dark arts you'd hope to get away with as a defender but definitely a free if the ref spots it. Not really sure how there is any debate around it to be honest - clearly pulls him back by the arm.

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