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    Posted: 02 Apr 2024 at 11:05am
I would say . They were.
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Yes, as is this current generation.
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Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Yes, as is this current generation.


While I would agree that the golden generation were overrated , except for scholes .

There is nothing overrated about the current generation apart from Declan Rice . England at the moment are producing the most technically gifted players in world football.

Madison, Kane, Foden, Saka, Mainoo, Palmer, Bellingham,Quansah, Braithwaithe, Colwill,Wharton, White, Eze, Gibbs White, Mcactee, James, Ramsey , Elliot,Stones and rico lewis that is an unbelievable talent pool of players to pick from.
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You seem preoccupied by all things English.  
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Declan Rice is in no way over-rated. Only amongst Irish fans would they deliberately see him as over-rated and for rather transparent reasons.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Declan Rice is in no way over-rated. Only amongst Irish fans would they deliberately see him as over-rated and for rather transparent reasons.

Every English international there has ever been has been overrated with the exception of Gary Lineker.  
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Declan Rice is in no way over-rated. Only amongst Irish fans would they deliberately see him as over-rated and for rather transparent reasons.


He most definitely is . On the sky there were comparing him to Rodri . Rice isn't in the same league at all . There is no doubt that Rice has attributes as a midfielder, he is great defensively and at tackling and  covers lots of ground .

The problem is that he looks like a center back playing in midfield . He plays sideways passes and doesn't have the ability to play line breaking passes . He has a very limited passing range and when under pressure always plays a backwards or sideways pass.
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Originally posted by nirvana2024 nirvana2024 wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Declan Rice is in no way over-rated. Only amongst Irish fans would they deliberately see him as over-rated and for rather transparent reasons.


He most definitely is . On the sky there were comparing him to Rodri . Rice isn't in the same league at all . There is no doubt that Rice has attributes as a midfielder, he is great defensively and at tackling and  covers lots of ground .

The problem is that he looks like a center back playing in midfield . He plays sideways passes and doesn't have the ability to play line breaking passes . He has a very limited passing range and when under pressure always plays a backwards or sideways pass.

He’s an excellent passer of the ball. His range is extremely broad, especially when not limited to play in a way that suits the current England set-up. The theory that he is limited with the ball at his feet is something I can vouch for as not being correct.
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The current English football team, despite the high profile of their squad, has a track record over the last 6-8 years that leaves much to be desired, especially in key matches. 

The solitary standout victory came against a less formidable German side during the Euros held on home soil, a win that you might give them some praise for.

However, when faced with teams of equal strength, superior, or even those slightly inferior on paper, England has consistently failed to deliver in this period.

Notable disappointments include losses to Croatia and Belgium (twice) in the 2018 World Cup, as well as defeats to Italy and France in the last two tournaments. They've also been poor in the Nations League final tournament.

This pattern suggests that the current team is overrated - they don't win big games against the other top sides.
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His issue is that he cannot swivel like a Rodri or a Busquets or a Xavi or Modric which you need to be able to do to be a world class centre mid.  He runs in straight lines.  
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

His issue is that he cannot swivel like a Rodri or a Busquets or a Xavi or Modric which you need to be able to do to be a world class centre mid.  He runs in straight lines.  

To be fair I’m not trying to argue him as better that certain players. I’m not arguing that he is on a level of somebody like Modric. But I disagree he is overrated or limited as a passer.
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Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

The current English football team, despite the high profile of their squad, has a track record over the last 6-8 years that leaves much to be desired, especially in key matches. 

The solitary standout victory came against a less formidable German side during the Euros held on home soil, a win that you might give them some praise for.

However, when faced with teams of equal strength, superior, or even those slightly inferior on paper, England has consistently failed to deliver in this period.

Notable disappointments include losses to Croatia and Belgium (twice) in the 2018 World Cup, as well as defeats to Italy and France in the last two tournaments. They've also been poor in the Nations League final tournament.

This pattern suggests that the current team is overrated - they don't win big games against the other top sides.

I think this is more of a conservative approach from management than the team itself. They had no business losing to Italy given the talent of both teams but Southgate is way too cagey against big teams
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

His issue is that he cannot swivel like a Rodri or a Busquets or a Xavi or Modric which you need to be able to do to be a world class centre mid.  He runs in straight lines.  

To be fair I’m not trying to argue him as better that certain players. I’m not arguing that he is on a level of somebody like Modric. But I disagree he is overrated or limited as a passer.

He is limited as a top class midfielder and many in England would have him as that.   He is overrated by some in the English media.  But so is very English player including Gazza.  
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Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

The current English football team, despite the high profile of their squad, has a track record over the last 6-8 years that leaves much to be desired, especially in key matches. 

The solitary standout victory came against a less formidable German side during the Euros held on home soil, a win that you might give them some praise for.

However, when faced with teams of equal strength, superior, or even those slightly inferior on paper, England has consistently failed to deliver in this period.

Notable disappointments include losses to Croatia and Belgium (twice) in the 2018 World Cup, as well as defeats to Italy and France in the last two tournaments. They've also been poor in the Nations League final tournament.

This pattern suggests that the current team is overrated - they don't win big games against the other top sides.

I think this is more of a conservative approach from management than the team itself. They had no business losing to Italy given the talent of both teams but Southgate is way too cagey against big teams

He protects their back five including their keeper because they are average at best.  Walker is good and so is stones but keeper and Maguire and left back are poor.  
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Yes, but it was the same as every England squad down the years they believe they were the best but failed to see that other teams had better overall squads.

England probably had some of the best players individually but did they work as an overall squad? Probably not.

I'd also say they lacked a bit of luck and ingenuity which other teams at the time had.

Let's give an assessment of  1998-2010 time frame when majority of their so call golden generation played

98- for example Argentina sh*thoused their victory they were wiser and exploited certain aspects to beat them, but ultimately they beat them on penalties.

2000 - went out in group stage beat a very average Germany thought they were brilliant under estimated a decent Romania team.

2002- again outwitted by a team with more experience,  and eventual winners in a Brazil team with arguably 5 of the best players to play the game in R9, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Cafu, Roberto Carlos. The Japanese heat probably played a big part too.

2004- Rooney injury played a part here I actually think a few players came into this squad lacking fitness Portugal just had better players too, when you look at the subs who came on for both teams. But again penalties was their down fall

2006- same story Portugal overall probably better squad, Rooney getting sent off didn't help but again penalties  and the weight of the media didn't help

2008- didn't qualify 

2010- beaten by a far superior German team but again small margins in terms of a disallowed goal. But I agree with Lukas Podolskis assessment that the match would have probably just finished 4-2 in instead as Germany were just better.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

His issue is that he cannot swivel like a Rodri or a Busquets or a Xavi or Modric which you need to be able to do to be a world class centre mid.  He runs in straight lines.  

To be fair I’m not trying to argue him as better that certain players. I’m not arguing that he is on a level of somebody like Modric. But I disagree he is overrated or limited as a passer.


He is a limited passer in the sense that he can't get turned on the ball to make a forward pass when  pressed. this was particularly evident against the USA.

It showed as well when Arsenal played Porto and Rice was played in  a deep role in midfield . Porto played with a low block and Rice wasn't able to play a line breaking pass to break the low block .

Just because Rice can play a long ball when is he under no pressure, doesn't mean he has a good passing range.

Keane was said to have a limited passing range, but his range of passing was miles ahead of Rice.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

The current English football team, despite the high profile of their squad, has a track record over the last 6-8 years that leaves much to be desired, especially in key matches. 

The solitary standout victory came against a less formidable German side during the Euros held on home soil, a win that you might give them some praise for.

However, when faced with teams of equal strength, superior, or even those slightly inferior on paper, England has consistently failed to deliver in this period.

Notable disappointments include losses to Croatia and Belgium (twice) in the 2018 World Cup, as well as defeats to Italy and France in the last two tournaments. They've also been poor in the Nations League final tournament.

This pattern suggests that the current team is overrated - they don't win big games against the other top sides.

I think this is more of a conservative approach from management than the team itself. They had no business losing to Italy given the talent of both teams but Southgate is way too cagey against big teams

He protects their back five including their keeper because they are average at best.  Walker is good and so is stones but keeper and Maguire and left back are poor.  

This sums up the current team,  they have good forward players but they rely too heavily on Kane imo.

If we're taking about over rated players I'd put Walker in that bracket,  his pace makes up for alot of mistakes he makes in general defending 
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