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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Strange move. Risky one also, throwing him in for a nothing friendly three days after a club game, could go very wrong. Raises questions regarding Kenny's approach to friendlies again. Hope he doesn't get injured. No need for him to be out there for any longer than 45 minutes at the absolute most.
Making your 1st start for Ireland, in a competitive game, v the 2 in a row World Cup finalists France, in front of a sold out Lansdowne Road, would be a massive ask, despite how many minutes you play in other divisions in other countries against other teams. 
I'm glad Ferguson is making his 1st start tonight. Hopefully he bags a goal and his confidence will be sky high for Monday.Clap
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

As soon as we go to two in midfield we struggle against almost anyone. It's the lesson that Kenny has refused to learn during his time in charge. 

He has this idea that we can play two central midfielders with two forwards off a central striker that can drop back to support the midfield (3-4-2-1). In reality it only works if one of the two forwards is actually a midfielder like Knight or McGrath. When it's someone like Parrott, Robinson or Ogbene they just swan around doing f**k all out of possession and our two midfielders get overrun. 

Happens every time he tries it, even against bloody Armenia.


Agreed, if he wants 3 attackers at the top end, he has to go 4-3-3. As you say if he plays a 3-4-2-1, then at least one of the two in behind has to be a grafter like Knight. Obviously I'm not advocating a 433 vs France, but I'd like to see it tonight and then vs Gibralter.
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Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

RTE touched on a possible back-4 later with Obafemi and Ogbene supporting Ferguson.
Or opting to go back to the midfield two that served us so terribly.

Look, we should be able to play last-man-back and beat Latvia.

As soon as we go to two in midfield we struggle against almost anyone. It's the lesson that Kenny has refused to learn during his time in charge. 

He has this idea that we can play two central midfielders with two forwards off a central striker that can drop back to support the midfield (3-4-2-1). In reality it only works if one of the two forwards is actually a midfielder like Knight or McGrath. When it's someone like Parrott, Robinson or Ogbene they just swan around doing f**k all out of possession and our two midfielders get overrun. 

Happens every time he tries it, even against bloody Armenia.

Anyway, DMcD reporting Smallbone behind Ferguson and Obafemi, which sounds much better. As long as none of them get injured for the France game.


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Originally posted by irish_major irish_major wrote:

Smallbone expected to start behind Obafemi and Ferguson according to Dan Mc. Exactly what we all want to see, hopefully they deliver. 

That would be a positive approach.
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Smallbone expected to start behind Obafemi and Ferguson according to Dan Mc. Exactly what we all want to see, hopefully they deliver. 
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Originally posted by dangere_here dangere_here wrote:


Don't be so sure, we needed 96 minutes and a moment of magic with Lithuania. Armenia did us and very nearly at home too. We're dodgy as fook.


I'm far from sure of it.  Just saying what we *should* be doing...not necessarily what we will do.

Look, if we go out again and huff and puff versus this lot, like we did v Malta, Lithuania and several others, then we know SK hasn't learned a jot.

But I live in hope.
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Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

RTE touched on a possible back-4 later with Obafemi and Ogbene supporting Ferguson.
Or opting to go back to the midfield two that served us so terribly.

Look, we should be able to play last-man-back and beat Latvia.


Don't be so sure, we needed 96 minutes and a moment of magic with Lithuania. Armenia did us and very nearly at home too. We're dodgy as fook.
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RTE touched on a possible back-4 later with Obafemi and Ogbene supporting Ferguson.
Or opting to go back to the midfield two that served us so terribly.

Look, we should be able to play last-man-back and beat Latvia.
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Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

                      Kelleher
Doherty Omabamidele Collins O’Shea O’Dowda
              Hendrick Molumby 
                   Smallbone 
                Obafemi Ferguson 

Is what I’d like to see. Don’t be shocked if he went 4-3-3 and we saw something like. 
            
                     Kelleher
Doherty Omabamidele Collins O’Dowda
             Hendrick Molumby 
                     Knight
       Johnston Ferguson Ogbene

I think Knight is unlikely to start tonight, missed Derby's 2nd last game through injury and came on just before ht at the weekend. He might get a run out off the bench just to test his fitness. I'd quite like to see the 433, although O'Dowda as an actual full back? I suppose we might get away with it vs Latvia.

I'm still worried this could mean Coleman will be shoehorned into the team vs France as a CB, which would be folly imo.
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                      Kelleher
Doherty Omabamidele Collins O’Shea O’Dowda
              Hendrick Molumby 
                   Smallbone 
                Obafemi Ferguson 

Is what I’d like to see. Don’t be shocked if he went 4-3-3 and we saw something like. 
            
                     Kelleher
Doherty Omabamidele Collins O’Dowda
             Hendrick Molumby 
                     Knight
       Johnston Ferguson Ogbene


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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Don't think Cullen will play as too important for Monday.

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Doherty--Collins--O'Shea--Omobamidele--O'Dowda
Smallbone(or Mcgrath)--Hendrick--Browne
Ferguson--Obafemi (or Ogbene)

Reckon it will be something like that from the start tonight 

Still think we could see a 433, at least at some point during the game. O'Shea is another who certainly doesnt need minutes and he'll maybe want to find a way to get Johnston on the pitch, it would suit Ogbene also (who I still dont think is a central striking option) and Sykes/O'Dowda. Surely Smallbone has to start.
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Don't think Cullen will play as too important for Monday.

Baz
Doherty--Collins--O'Shea--Omobamidele--O'Dowda
Smallbone(or Mcgrath)--Hendrick--Browne
Ferguson--Obafemi (or Ogbene)

Reckon it will be something like that from the start tonight 
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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

I think Doherty is the right shout. One of the older and more senior players. He has been one of the better players under Kenny (forgiving his mistake in the Scotland away goal). 
I'd still have Doherty in the starting XI versus France so getting the armband and having a good game later is best prep possible for Monday.

He'll definitely play on Monday so it makes sense to play him tonight due to his lack of game time 
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I think Doherty is the right shout. One of the older and more senior players. He has been one of the better players under Kenny (forgiving his mistake in the Scotland away goal). 
I'd still have Doherty in the starting XI versus France so getting the armband and having a good game later is best prep possible for Monday.
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If Doherty is captain then could mean no McClean as well. He captained us against Ukraine though Doherty was missing that game. Surprised Doherty was picked over a younger lad like O'Shea, Collins, and especially Cullen if he starts tonight. You'd have to reckon no Cullen either if Doherty was selected as captain.
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Originally posted by dangere_here dangere_here wrote:

Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Would be unthinkable to not start Evan against France.
Kenny is talking about Idah playing too.
He can't be telling the truth ffs



Save the conniptions for after the fact lads!

Think the tone of this is being misread LOL
It isn't anger I genuinely don't believe he would start Idah
I think MO will start up front with Evan in both games or at least the Latvia game to see how it might go. Probably MO and Ogbene will share workload too. I presume Evan will start and share with Idah.

Ah OK, I agree with that. I thought it was just another pointless snipe at both SK and Idah
If you went back through Idah threads and Kenny threads you would find I have been 1 of the most supportive of both the last 3 years.

I do think there are reasons now to be exrremely frustrated with Kenny though. 
I think Idah should see how Evan uses is physical attributes too and realise he needs far more aggression and workrate in his game.

Idah needs to be more of a grafter
Who would be your top 5 grafters in the current Ireland setup?
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Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Would be unthinkable to not start Evan against France.
Kenny is talking about Idah playing too.
He can't be telling the truth ffs



Save the conniptions for after the fact lads!

Think the tone of this is being misread LOL
It isn't anger I genuinely don't believe he would start Idah
I think MO will start up front with Evan in both games or at least the Latvia game to see how it might go. Probably MO and Ogbene will share workload too. I presume Evan will start and share with Idah.

Ah OK, I agree with that. I thought it was just another pointless snipe at both SK and Idah
If you went back through Idah threads and Kenny threads you would find I have been 1 of the most supportive of both the last 3 years.

I do think there are reasons now to be exrremely frustrated with Kenny though. 
I think Idah should see how Evan uses is physical attributes too and realise he needs far more aggression and workrate in his game.

Idah needs to be more of a grafter


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Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Would be unthinkable to not start Evan against France.
Kenny is talking about Idah playing too.
He can't be telling the truth ffs



Save the conniptions for after the fact lads!

Think the tone of this is being misread LOL
It isn't anger I genuinely don't believe he would start Idah
I think MO will start up front with Evan in both games or at least the Latvia game to see how it might go. Probably MO and Ogbene will share workload too. I presume Evan will start and share with Idah.

Ah OK, I agree with that. I thought it was just another pointless snipe at both SK and Idah
If you went back through Idah threads and Kenny threads you would find I have been 1 of the most supportive of both the last 3 years.

I do think there are reasons now to be exrremely frustrated with Kenny though. 
I think Idah should see how Evan uses is physical attributes too and realise he needs far more aggression and workrate in his game.
I'm losing faith with SK myself, but still hoping!

As for Idah, I have no problem at all with his work rate, but he probably could use his physicality a little more, mind you he is really only working his way back to full match fitness now. I still have faith in this lad to come good, more so than Parrott for example!

Yeah in terms of ceilings I would have Idah above Parrott.
Parrott just has no elite level physical attributes and I don't think he has it upstairs to make up the difference

I just think Idah has more in him. He frustrates me. Very good lad, great physical attributes and potential but just seems to not realise he could probably bully most players off the ball at his ease.

Grew up in the same area and played for the same club so do hope he gets a run and his fitness holds up.
He could be one that hit 26 or 27 and becomes a monster too. f**k knows how it goes in the end.

Fitness is my only concern. If he can stay fit for an extended period, I'm convinced goals will come!
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