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    Posted: 08 Feb 2024 at 11:39pm
Disgraceful and very off putting. 

We don’t spend hundreds of Euros going to an away match to be treated like we were in Amsterdam, let alone be told it was our own fault by our own association. It was a shambles, call it for what it is and don’t try to fob it off.
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Originally posted by VanBosch VanBosch wrote:

FAI have issued an apology for the email.

What a pathetic shambles. 

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Why can't they do anything right?
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Originally posted by VanBosch VanBosch wrote:

FAI have issued an apology for the email.

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FAI have issued an apology for the email.
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I see the FAI are going with the same defense as "Hillsborough was the fans fault"
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Disgraceful but not surprised. Still the same FAI. 
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so : it was just all our fault yeh? few lads had 4 pints of heineken and that's what almost caused a crush? Jesus Christ
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Interesting tweet from the YBIG account regarding the issues experienced at this game.....
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I wasn’t asked for a cert though the flag is small 
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Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:

Originally posted by TheFieldsOfAthenry TheFieldsOfAthenry wrote:

Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:


I just want to provide a brief update to fans after the game in Amsterdam.

I’ve already compiled a draft report which has been submitted to the FAI.  There will be a review meeting this week which I will be attending.

Many fans missing a large part of the first half and some missing the whole game is very concerning.

The invitation for visiting fans to join the fanzone pre-match indicated a low-risk fixture.  This was also obviously the view of everybody from the Irish side.

The lighting outside the stadium appeared to be inadequate.

Due to the fencing erected around the away end (Sector K) the signage was incorrect.  Direction signs for “away fans” were difficult to see due to lighting.

The security levels and procedures for those entering the away end were akin to those of a high-risk fixture.  I was not expecting this.  On further research since Saturday this level of heightened security is becoming more and more common.  I will endeavour to identify in advance future occasions where our fans may be subjected to this level of security.   

Please note all jurisdiction and levels of security are the responsibility of the host football federation.  Neither I nor the FAI can determine the level of security.  Of course we can advise and try and intercede to help in situations but the host federation are in total control. 

Four turnstiles for 2,400 fans is in my personal view inadequate.  However it complies with the UEFA regulations of 1 per 650 fans.  I will be providing feedback on the regulations.  The figures for the Aviva stadium are significantly better. 

 

I would like to hear from fans with

1)     Any evidence of anything you would consider unsafe

2)     Anybody whose ticket was “already scanned” when they reached the turnstiles.

3)     Anything you feel I should be aware of regarding the game.



Fire certs for flags, is this something we should all have going forward? 

I'm working to get more info.  However as a simple answer Yes it will definitely help.

UEFA/FIFA regulations stipulate any flag/banner over 1.4 metres x 2 metres requires a fire cert.  In the past my understanding is that smaller flags were not a concern.  The Dutch appeared to require a fire cert for smaller flags on Saturday.  Of course as always the host federation control the game.

If you are getting a new flag/banner made it really needs to be made in the EU/UK.  A fire cert should be attached by default.  

To be fair you Gary you called out the flag fire certs back in May. 
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Originally posted by TheFieldsOfAthenry TheFieldsOfAthenry wrote:

Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:


I just want to provide a brief update to fans after the game in Amsterdam.

I’ve already compiled a draft report which has been submitted to the FAI.  There will be a review meeting this week which I will be attending.

Many fans missing a large part of the first half and some missing the whole game is very concerning.

The invitation for visiting fans to join the fanzone pre-match indicated a low-risk fixture.  This was also obviously the view of everybody from the Irish side.

The lighting outside the stadium appeared to be inadequate.

Due to the fencing erected around the away end (Sector K) the signage was incorrect.  Direction signs for “away fans” were difficult to see due to lighting.

The security levels and procedures for those entering the away end were akin to those of a high-risk fixture.  I was not expecting this.  On further research since Saturday this level of heightened security is becoming more and more common.  I will endeavour to identify in advance future occasions where our fans may be subjected to this level of security.   

Please note all jurisdiction and levels of security are the responsibility of the host football federation.  Neither I nor the FAI can determine the level of security.  Of course we can advise and try and intercede to help in situations but the host federation are in total control. 

Four turnstiles for 2,400 fans is in my personal view inadequate.  However it complies with the UEFA regulations of 1 per 650 fans.  I will be providing feedback on the regulations.  The figures for the Aviva stadium are significantly better. 

 

I would like to hear from fans with

1)     Any evidence of anything you would consider unsafe

2)     Anybody whose ticket was “already scanned” when they reached the turnstiles.

3)     Anything you feel I should be aware of regarding the game.



Fire certs for flags, is this something we should all have going forward? 

I'm working to get more info.  However as a simple answer Yes it will definitely help.

UEFA/FIFA regulations stipulate any flag/banner over 1.4 metres x 2 metres requires a fire cert.  In the past my understanding is that smaller flags were not a concern.  The Dutch appeared to require a fire cert for smaller flags on Saturday.  Of course as always the host federation control the game.

If you are getting a new flag/banner made it really needs to be made in the EU/UK.  A fire cert should be attached by default.  
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Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:


I just want to provide a brief update to fans after the game in Amsterdam.

I’ve already compiled a draft report which has been submitted to the FAI.  There will be a review meeting this week which I will be attending.

Many fans missing a large part of the first half and some missing the whole game is very concerning.

The invitation for visiting fans to join the fanzone pre-match indicated a low-risk fixture.  This was also obviously the view of everybody from the Irish side.

The lighting outside the stadium appeared to be inadequate.

Due to the fencing erected around the away end (Sector K) the signage was incorrect.  Direction signs for “away fans” were difficult to see due to lighting.

The security levels and procedures for those entering the away end were akin to those of a high-risk fixture.  I was not expecting this.  On further research since Saturday this level of heightened security is becoming more and more common.  I will endeavour to identify in advance future occasions where our fans may be subjected to this level of security.   

Please note all jurisdiction and levels of security are the responsibility of the host football federation.  Neither I nor the FAI can determine the level of security.  Of course we can advise and try and intercede to help in situations but the host federation are in total control. 

Four turnstiles for 2,400 fans is in my personal view inadequate.  However it complies with the UEFA regulations of 1 per 650 fans.  I will be providing feedback on the regulations.  The figures for the Aviva stadium are significantly better. 

 

I would like to hear from fans with

1)     Any evidence of anything you would consider unsafe

2)     Anybody whose ticket was “already scanned” when they reached the turnstiles.

3)     Anything you feel I should be aware of regarding the game.



Fire certs for flags, is this something we should all have going forward? 
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I was there with my 12 & 9 year old sons. The big thing I noticed and Gary touched on was the atmosphere between the fans pre game was very friendly. My lads got a great reception off the Dutch fans in the bar beside the ground and around Amsterdam. With the fanzone it was clearly thought that this was a low risk fixture in terms of potential trouble. It's like the Dutch FA and the security for the Ajax Stadium were on totally different hymnsheets.

When we got to the away entrance there was a noticeable change in atmosphere from the stewards at the gate than others we encountered and I was greatly surprised at the intensity of the searches. I know Dutch club football can attract issues with fans and I think they just treated Irish fans the same as PSV.

We all agreed in our group that for any further away games to just expect delays, security etc and get to the ground 1.15 hours before kick off and go directly to our seats. It's not ideal but to be fair to Gary who was at the gates there's nothing he could do to change what happened.

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of opening the gates and allowing the q to move from that direction.

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I would like to second that comment about Gary being helpful. One volunteer shouldn't be expected to be responsible for helping 2,400 fans get into any ground.
Typical FAI, they are never to be seen when they should be. Even if the home association is responsible for the venue, we got the tickets from the FAI so they should have some presence to assist fans especially as this is becoming an ongoing problem for fans 


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Originally posted by gspain gspain wrote:


I just want to provide a brief update to fans after the game in Amsterdam.

I’ve already compiled a draft report which has been submitted to the FAI.  There will be a review meeting this week which I will be attending.

Many fans missing a large part of the first half and some missing the whole game is very concerning.

The invitation for visiting fans to join the fanzone pre-match indicated a low-risk fixture.  This was also obviously the view of everybody from the Irish side.

The lighting outside the stadium appeared to be inadequate.

Due to the fencing erected around the away end (Sector K) the signage was incorrect.  Direction signs for “away fans” were difficult to see due to lighting.

The security levels and procedures for those entering the away end were akin to those of a high-risk fixture.  I was not expecting this.  On further research since Saturday this level of heightened security is becoming more and more common.  I will endeavour to identify in advance future occasions where our fans may be subjected to this level of security.   

Please note all jurisdiction and levels of security are the responsibility of the host football federation.  Neither I nor the FAI can determine the level of security.  Of course we can advise and try and intercede to help in situations but the host federation are in total control. 

Four turnstiles for 2,400 fans is in my personal view inadequate.  However it complies with the UEFA regulations of 1 per 650 fans.  I will be providing feedback on the regulations.  The figures for the Aviva stadium are significantly better. 

 

I would like to hear from fans with

1)     Any evidence of anything you would consider unsafe

2)     Anybody whose ticket was “already scanned” when they reached the turnstiles.

3)     Anything you feel I should be aware of regarding the game.



I'd like to take the opportunity to commend Gary publicly for his assistance in helping me get in. The steward was being touchy after a pal was giving him the Shakira hips during the search and didn't see the funny side.

Anyway, when things looked like going south Gary stepped in to ensure that was the end of it.

I've had issues this year, particularly with the crush in Greece and my two year old caught up in it, but credit where it's due. He's giving his own time voluntarily and imo is not being backed up at Association level.

Something has definitely changed in terms of getting in to grounds, which has never been an issue before.
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