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Poll Question: Which category below will the new manager likely come from?
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That sort of long term thinking is not too popular on here. 
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Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by 50%lesssugar&salt 50%lesssugar&salt wrote:

Agree that he would be preferable (but only marginally so) to the likes of Keane, Hughton, Bruce but would prefer someone with more experience. Would prefer a Roy Hodgson type (a more progressive version of Steve Bruce) to the likes of Kennedy. 

Think looking further afield and not limiting ourselves to managers with Irish connections is the way to go though. 

How would a Roy Hodgson type fit into the need to work as part of of bigger plan involving collaboration and development with the underage teams? 
He wouldn't but is that really part of a senior managers responsibilities? 

If you don't want any success to be built on sand than in a country of our size and based on how we haven't done that in the past it has to be. If you looking at the "smaller" countries that have had success then that's how they have gone about it. And just looking at how they appear to be going about the process to get a new ladies manager in then I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that they will adopt something broadly similar to that for the men's role.
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by 50%lesssugar&salt 50%lesssugar&salt wrote:

Agree that he would be preferable (but only marginally so) to the likes of Keane, Hughton, Bruce but would prefer someone with more experience. Would prefer a Roy Hodgson type (a more progressive version of Steve Bruce) to the likes of Kennedy. 

Think looking further afield and not limiting ourselves to managers with Irish connections is the way to go though. 

How would a Roy Hodgson type fit into the need to work as part of of bigger plan involving collaboration and development with the underage teams? 
He wouldn't but is that really part of a senior managers responsibilities? 
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Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Ffs look beyond these two islands 

Arsenal got Wenger from Japan iirc and nobody had heard of him before ? Postecoglua nobody heard of him but Celtic clearly seen something 

We are paying a good salary for an international manager surely ti Fuk we can get a good candidate without the lazy bookies choice of dinosaurs , has beens never were  and unproven punts 



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Originally posted by 50%lesssugar&salt 50%lesssugar&salt wrote:

Agree that he would be preferable (but only marginally so) to the likes of Keane, Hughton, Bruce but would prefer someone with more experience. Would prefer a Roy Hodgson type (a more progressive version of Steve Bruce) to the likes of Kennedy. 

Think looking further afield and not limiting ourselves to managers with Irish connections is the way to go though. 

How would a Roy Hodgson type fit into the need to work as part of of bigger plan involving collaboration and development with the underage teams? 
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Agree that he would be preferable (but only marginally so) to the likes of Keane, Hughton, Bruce but would prefer someone with more experience. Would prefer a Roy Hodgson type (a more progressive version of Steve Bruce) to the likes of Kennedy. 

Think looking further afield and not limiting ourselves to managers with Irish connections is the way to go though. 
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Newry, There has been plenty of good suggestions posted. Unfortunately there is some amount of drivel as well so they can be easily missed. 
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Ffs look beyond these two islands 

Arsenal got Wenger from Japan iirc and nobody had heard of him before ? Postecoglua nobody heard of him but Celtic clearly seen something 

We are paying a good salary for an international manager surely ti Fuk we can get a good candidate without the lazy bookies choice of dinosaurs , has beens never were  and unproven punts 
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Originally posted by 50%lesssugar&salt 50%lesssugar&salt wrote:

Based on his limited experience, I get the impression he would be doing a lot of learning on the job. A bit too much of a risk for me, would prefer a manager with a larger body of work behind them as Manager. 

He'd certainly be a bit of a gamble, but it's not the first time he's been mentioned in dispatches - the piece hereunder is from an Examiner article in early September (P.18 of this thread). I'm ambivalent as I dont think I've even heard the guy speak in recent years, but I'd personally prefer his kind of profile to that of a Steve Bruce, Chris Hughton or Roy Keane.

Director of Football Marc Canham will be the man to lead the hunt. Serious candidates are to be interviewed too by chief executive Jonathan Hill and a board representative, likely Packie Bonner, chairperson of the FAI’s international and high-performance committee.

LEE CARSLEY

PROS: Highly-regarded in the UK, where being constantly employed over 12 years at Coventry City, Brentford, Birmingham City, Manchester City and the English FA.

Those credentials were boosted when the former Ireland midfielder led England to their first U21 Euro title in the summer, something that eluded some exalted predecessors for 39 years.

CONS: Critics will point to a lack of continuity in posts but without knowledge that he extracted himself from contention to upgrade from caretaker boss at both Brentford and Birmingham City. Wouldn’t have the wow factor either – seemingly still a prerequisite in the minds of influencers.

JOHN O’SHEA

PROS: Possession is in his favour. Only graduated from the U21 staff this year but unlike Keith Andrews, who won’t be retained, O’Shea had never worked with Kenny previously. Commands huge respect from his playing days and has adopted the patient approach to coaching, fulfilling assistant’s jobs at Reading and more recently Stoke City. Holds a UEFA executive masters and Pro License too.

CONS: Yet to be the gaffer. This time will come too soon and he’d have seen the perils of Steve Staunton jumping straight in. More likely to maintain a similar role under the new boss.

ROY KEANE

PROS: A holy trinity of Keane spells with the Irish team cannot be discounted. Box office allure is unmatched and his success at Sunderland was only slightly tarnished during his second and last job at Ipswich Town. Is available and eager to accept a venture back into management.

CONS: Combustibility. It will never leave him despite the mellowing that’s supposed to come after hitting 50. Keane’s role in the spat with Jonathan Walters and Harry Arter towards the end of his Ireland spell hasn’t been forgotten either.

CHRIS HUGHTON

PROS: A steady, rather than spectacular pair of hands, who from the Euro ’88 squad went on to rival Mick McCarthy as the most successful graduate into management. Stints at Birmingham City, Norwich City and especially Brighton and Hove Albion were deemed successes while he was generally considered to have been hard done by when Newcastle United ended his tenure in 2010.

CONS: The major stain on his CV was Hughton’s last club job, a short-lived one at Nottingham Forest. That Steve Cooper transformed the side he inherited from bottom of the Championship to promotion over a season was an indictment on the Ireland defender. Age, being 64, isn’t on his side and is currently on a job managing Ghana.


MARK KENNEDY

PROS: One of the only two Irish-born managers in the English Football League (other being Graham Coughlan at Newport County), his colourful lifestyle after becoming in 1995 the most expensive teenager in UK history has served him well in management.

Won 34 caps, he’s operated support roles at Ipswich Town, Manchester City, Birmingham City as well as boss of Macclesfield before his current post at Lincoln City. Has worked wonders on a shoestring budget relative to rivals, currently sitting eight in the table.

CONS: League One is hardly an audition for the demands of qualifying for World Cups and Euro championships. Even he might admit the switch to the Ireland post is too early in his burgeoning career and content to navigate the lower tiers dominated by management instability.

DAMIEN DUFF

PROS: Plentiful. Initially a reluctant convert to coaching, he’s taken the circuitous road by overseeing underage teams at Shamrock Rovers, Celtic and Shelbourne before leading the latter’s senior team since the start of 2022. Shares the superstar appeal of Keane but has the advantage of being currently active on the market, overachieving with results and identifiable for a distinct style identity.

CONS: Like Kenny, only has League of Ireland experience on his CV. Going that road again after the last attempt backfired will caution the FAI and much will depend on what he projects during what’s sure to be a lively interview.
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Suppose if we don't have a meaningful match til next Sept we could have a rake of friendlies and maybe a good old tour in the states to give him a few games to get bedded in. 
Cant be any worse. But doubt he's left for the national job, there's no vacancy yet
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Based on his limited experience, I get the impression he would be doing a lot of learning on the job. A bit too much of a risk for me, would prefer a manager with a larger body of work behind them as Manager. 
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Hed be an interesting candidate but still a gamble. We should be setting our sights higher than a league 1 manager IMO
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Deane Deane wrote:

There were reports that Kennedy was linked to the job before news of his resignation.

No reason for him to quit a job now for a job that isn't even open yet. 

I agree its unlikely, but even the FAI could probably find enough to get rid of Kenny and Andrews a month early!
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Originally posted by Deane Deane wrote:

There were reports that Kennedy was linked to the job before news of his resignation.

No reason for him to quit a job now for a job that isn't even open yet. 
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There were reports that Kennedy was linked to the job before news of his resignation.
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Originally posted by 50%lesssugar&salt 50%lesssugar&salt wrote:

We can't be seriously considering Kennedy.

Plenty are keen on the Likes of McKenna, Schumacher and Darren Moore who were 1st, 2nd and 3rd in League One last year all with clubs a lot better resourced than Kennedy's who finished 11th.

I have no idea whether he would come into consideration or not, I dont know the man, but he's affordable, seems to have been doing a decent job in League One and ticks the young up and coming box. 
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Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

34% win rate at Lincoln, 30% overall.

A 14-20-12 record in his one full season in charge of Lincoln for 62pts and 11th place. I have no idea how that stacks up in terms of their wage bill and where they should be finishing in that league, but taking a simple % win rate isnt going to help us unearth a rough diamond willing to do the job for a reasonable salary.
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Originally posted by 50%lesssugar&salt 50%lesssugar&salt wrote:

We can't be seriously considering Kennedy.

Of course we are! Did you not see the goal he scored against Yugoslavia 24 years ago? 
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