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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

To be pedantic, we have five midfielders from PL clubs who have played in it ( Smallbone, Arter, Coventry, Hodge, Ronan ) and two forwards ( Parrott, Connolly ), but I take your point.

For those looking rid of Kenny what do you honestly hope and expect from the squad we have?

Bit of realism is needed on here we don’t have any top quality midfielders or attackers at this moment in time.

We have good honest hard working players that give their all let’s just get behind the team and management as no amount of crying on a football forum is going to change things.
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And yet there were 23,000 season tickets sold - I know the opposition helped that somewhat but it can't account for all of it.

no , just for most of it 
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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

To be pedantic, we have five midfielders from PL clubs who have played in it ( Smallbone, Arter, Coventry, Hodge, Ronan ) and two forwards ( Parrott, Connolly ), but I take your point.

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Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Sounds more like you want us to do a Norway/Scotland and not qualify for a finals for another 20+ years.

No, it sounds like exactly what I just said - we don't have a chance in hell of qualifying via the top 2 group places for the next Euros. We will, however, hopefully have more forgiving groups in the future, and the best way to get success in those groups in with a manager who's willing to actually play football for once. As it stands, Kenny is the only realistic option we have that will do that. If a better one becomes available, then by all means make the change.
If there's no hope with Kenny, what's the point in retaining him? He's the only realistic option? Really? Given his record, the FAI would be derelict in their duty if not having feelers out right now. It wouldn't surprise me to see a new man in situ by mid-January. 

There is no hope with ANYONE in the next campaign. Bring in Pep, it doesn't matter - France are the best/second best team in the world, and the Netherlands aren't too far behind them. 

All that we can do is be as competitive as possible, and given how we have performed against superior sides under Kenny, he's the right man to do that in an atrociously difficult group. If he can make take us to any sort of respectable finish in the group (and I believe he can), then he'll have done as well as anyone could have and earned his keep. 
There's no denying it's a horror group, but you've gone belly-up already. I'd say 90% agree with you. No manager from Giles to McCarthy2 has generated such brutal pessimism. That's where we're at. 
And yet there were 23,000 season tickets sold - I know the opposition helped that somewhat but it can't account for all of it.
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To be pedantic, we have five midfielders from PL clubs who have played in it ( Smallbone, Arter, Coventry, Hodge, Ronan ) and two forwards ( Parrott, Connolly ), but I take your point.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

The argument in favour of Kenny at this point seems to be that he has made us so poor that we now have no chance of qualifying for anything under any other manager anyway, and therefore the only available manager who can save us now is, somehow, Kenny.


Our midfield and forwards are full of players from the Championship! We don’t have a single Premier League midfielder or attacker! Is that Kenny’s fault too?
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Sounds more like you want us to do a Norway/Scotland and not qualify for a finals for another 20+ years.

No, it sounds like exactly what I just said - we don't have a chance in hell of qualifying via the top 2 group places for the next Euros. We will, however, hopefully have more forgiving groups in the future, and the best way to get success in those groups in with a manager who's willing to actually play football for once. As it stands, Kenny is the only realistic option we have that will do that. If a better one becomes available, then by all means make the change.
If there's no hope with Kenny, what's the point in retaining him? He's the only realistic option? Really? Given his record, the FAI would be derelict in their duty if not having feelers out right now. It wouldn't surprise me to see a new man in situ by mid-January. 

There is no hope with ANYONE in the next campaign. Bring in Pep, it doesn't matter - France are the best/second best team in the world, and the Netherlands aren't too far behind them. 

All that we can do is be as competitive as possible, and given how we have performed against superior sides under Kenny, he's the right man to do that in an atrociously difficult group. If he can make take us to any sort of respectable finish in the group (and I believe he can), then he'll have done as well as anyone could have and earned his keep. 
There's no denying it's a horror group, but you've gone belly-up already. I'd say 90% agree with you. No manager from Giles to McCarthy2 has generated such brutal pessimism. That's where we're at. 
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

The argument in favour of Kenny at this point seems to be that he has made us so poor that we now have no chance of qualifying for anything under any other manager anyway, and therefore the only available manager who can save us now is, somehow, Kenny.


An idiotic take, and you know it. We are in a group with two of the best sides in world football, no Irish team in history would be a expected to get out of it, and no team since 2002 would stand a chance. It has absolutely nothing to do with the manager, and everything with the quality of the opposition.
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The argument in favour of Kenny at this point seems to be that he has made us so poor that we now have no chance of qualifying for anything under any other manager anyway, and therefore the only available manager who can save us now is, somehow, Kenny.
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Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Sounds more like you want us to do a Norway/Scotland and not qualify for a finals for another 20+ years.

No, it sounds like exactly what I just said - we don't have a chance in hell of qualifying via the top 2 group places for the next Euros. We will, however, hopefully have more forgiving groups in the future, and the best way to get success in those groups in with a manager who's willing to actually play football for once. As it stands, Kenny is the only realistic option we have that will do that. If a better one becomes available, then by all means make the change.
If there's no hope with Kenny, what's the point in retaining him? He's the only realistic option? Really? Given his record, the FAI would be derelict in their duty if not having feelers out right now. It wouldn't surprise me to see a new man in situ by mid-January. 

There is no hope with ANYONE in the next campaign. Bring in Pep, it doesn't matter - France are the best/second best team in the world, and the Netherlands aren't too far behind them. 

All that we can do is be as competitive as possible, and given how we have performed against superior sides under Kenny, he's the right man to do that in an atrociously difficult group. If he can make take us to any sort of respectable finish in the group (and I believe he can), then he'll have done as well as anyone could have and earned his keep. 


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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Sounds more like you want us to do a Norway/Scotland and not qualify for a finals for another 20+ years.

No, it sounds like exactly what I just said - we don't have a chance in hell of qualifying via the top 2 group places for the next Euros. We will, however, hopefully have more forgiving groups in the future, and the best way to get success in those groups in with a manager who's willing to actually play football for once. As it stands, Kenny is the only realistic option we have that will do that. If a better one becomes available, then by all means make the change.
If there's no hope with Kenny, what's the point in retaining him? He's the only realistic option? Really? Given his record, the FAI would be derelict in their duty if not having feelers out right now. It wouldn't surprise me to see a new man in situ by mid-January. 
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Sounds more like you want us to do a Norway/Scotland and not qualify for a finals for another 20+ years.

No, it sounds like exactly what I just said - we don't have a chance in hell of qualifying via the top 2 group places for the next Euros. We will, however, hopefully have more forgiving groups in the future, and the best way to get success in those groups in with a manager who's willing to actually play football for once. As it stands, Kenny is the only realistic option we have that will do that. If a better one becomes available, then by all means make the change.
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Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

26.6% win ratio after 30 games, jesus 

66% win rate over the last 3 games. 3 wins and a draw in the last 6. And what do you want? A change of manager. 

As we're in the results business, the final score in the last one was Malta 0-1 Ireland, just for official confirmation, as it wasn't posted at any point in the last 58 pages, as I haven't seen any of the game, or even knew the result until 24 hours after the final whistle.

Another 8 1-0 wins next year, and we're off to Germany. 4 of them would probably be enough for a playoff. Nothing to worry about so. That's the results business for you. 

Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

The most ardent supporters of SK are LOI supporters and they want one of their own to do well. Understandable but they are putting loyalty to LOI before the interests of the national team. 

Garbage. Every Irishman and Irishwoman should want the senior team to be successful. And they have the right to back the manager, whether they go to 36 LOI games per year or not. 

The reason he has support is because we're not putting pressure on him to win games, or go. And we know what is coming down the tracks if he goes. Allardyce, Bruce, Dyche, Hughton, joblot. Back to parking the bus and back to hoofball, with no interest in bringing through new players or improving Irish football. And taking a king's ransom of a salary when they're inevitably sacked when it fails. 

Kenny is the only man prepared to overhaul the squad and the style of play. That has to be done and that has to be prioritised over results. If we get results playing this way, great. If we don't, we stick with it until we're capable of getting results this way, and we're capable of competing with the world's best. 

None of the 32 teams at the World Cup play hoofball, even the crap ones. As a tactic, it's 20 years out of date, and we have to move on from it. Our model should be based on what Macedonia, Finland, Iceland, Georgia have done in recent years. That is how they have progressed up the ladder in the past 5-10 years and that's what we need to do now. 
Full steam ahead and fu*k the iceberg. 




What exactly is the "iceberg"? Failing to qualify for Euros in a group that contains two of the best international teams in the world? I hate to break it to you, but that is a certainty regardless of who is in charge.
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

26.6% win ratio after 30 games, jesus 

66% win rate over the last 3 games. 3 wins and a draw in the last 6. And what do you want? A change of manager. 

As we're in the results business, the final score in the last one was Malta 0-1 Ireland, just for official confirmation, as it wasn't posted at any point in the last 58 pages, as I haven't seen any of the game, or even knew the result until 24 hours after the final whistle.

Another 8 1-0 wins next year, and we're off to Germany. 4 of them would probably be enough for a playoff. Nothing to worry about so. That's the results business for you. 

Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

The most ardent supporters of SK are LOI supporters and they want one of their own to do well. Understandable but they are putting loyalty to LOI before the interests of the national team. 

Garbage. Every Irishman and Irishwoman should want the senior team to be successful. And they have the right to back the manager, whether they go to 36 LOI games per year or not. 

The reason he has support is because we're not putting pressure on him to win games, or go. And we know what is coming down the tracks if he goes. Allardyce, Bruce, Dyche, Hughton, joblot. Back to parking the bus and back to hoofball, with no interest in bringing through new players or improving Irish football. And taking a king's ransom of a salary when they're inevitably sacked when it fails. 

Kenny is the only man prepared to overhaul the squad and the style of play. That has to be done and that has to be prioritised over results. If we get results playing this way, great. If we don't, we stick with it until we're capable of getting results this way, and we're capable of competing with the world's best. 

None of the 32 teams at the World Cup play hoofball, even the crap ones. As a tactic, it's 20 years out of date, and we have to move on from it. Our model should be based on what Macedonia, Finland, Iceland, Georgia have done in recent years. That is how they have progressed up the ladder in the past 5-10 years and that's what we need to do now. 
Full steam ahead and fu*k the iceberg. 





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Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

26.6% win ratio after 30 games, jesus 

66% win rate over the last 3 games. 3 wins and a draw in the last 6. And what do you want? A change of manager. 

As we're in the results business, the final score in the last one was Malta 0-1 Ireland, just for official confirmation, as it wasn't posted at any point in the last 58 pages, as I haven't seen any of the game, or even knew the result until 24 hours after the final whistle.

Another 8 1-0 wins next year, and we're off to Germany. 4 of them would probably be enough for a playoff. Nothing to worry about so. That's the results business for you. 

Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

The most ardent supporters of SK are LOI supporters and they want one of their own to do well. Understandable but they are putting loyalty to LOI before the interests of the national team. 

Garbage. Every Irishman and Irishwoman should want the senior team to be successful. And they have the right to back the manager, whether they go to 36 LOI games per year or not. 

The reason he has support is because we're not putting pressure on him to win games, or go. And we know what is coming down the tracks if he goes. Allardyce, Bruce, Dyche, Hughton, joblot. Back to parking the bus and back to hoofball, with no interest in bringing through new players or improving Irish football. And taking a king's ransom of a salary when they're inevitably sacked when it fails. 

Kenny is the only man prepared to overhaul the squad and the style of play. That has to be done and that has to be prioritised over results. If we get results playing this way, great. If we don't, we stick with it until we're capable of getting results this way, and we're capable of competing with the world's best. 

None of the 32 teams at the World Cup play hoofball, even the crap ones. As a tactic, it's 20 years out of date, and we have to move on from it. Our model should be based on what Macedonia, Finland, Iceland, Georgia have done in recent years. That is how they have progressed up the ladder in the past 5-10 years and that's what we need to do now. 


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Meanwhile, I see "Should we give up football?" has loads of new posts.  LOL

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Originally posted by SC92 SC92 wrote:

Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:

Originally posted by SC92 SC92 wrote:

Lol if that's a creative performance then I despair. He didn't do anything the much maligned Hendrick or Hourihane can't do and I think Hourihane is a waste of a shirt generally. Hendrick is pretty meh but is the much better passer of the ball. 


McGrath is literally the opposite of Hourihane.

Hourihane:
Doesn't want the ball
When he is on the ball, takes an age to move it
Can't dribble
Can't sprint. Actually, he runs like he's wearing flippers.
Can't tackle.

McGrath:
Wants the ball
Quick feet in tight situations
Can dribble and is direct in running at defenders
Can actually sprint
Actually throws in a tackle here and there



Yes Hourihane is crap for us but McGrath has done eff all and I doubt will ever play in a top league

McGrath

Wants the ball but then does nothing with it.
Runs around alot.
Dribbles then passes the ball sidewards and backwards 
Overhits any slightly progressive pass.
Meh set pieces
Falls over a bunch.
Doesn't look like scoring
Doesn't create clear cut chances
Is barely passable defensively

But nope lads on here should tell Pep Guardiola that McGrath can be a De Bruyne or Bernardo replacement as he's so amazingly creative.


What planet are you on man? Bananas. Is he really your big brother and the one in the family who got all the love? Bizarre random crusade against him. Very strange have to say.

This lad has quite the fan club that can't take any opinion less than worshipping. I'm impressed. 

You were the one who bought him up when I didn't even mention him in my reaction post so who is the strange one here. Just leave me alone its a football opinion .. it's not that deep.


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