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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39813 |
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A lot of Cathics are now identifying as Northern Irish and not nationalists.
United Eire still miles off. A premature referendum would actually do the cause more damage imo.
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horsebox
Robbie Keane Born n bred in darndale. Joined: 03 Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 34851 |
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Unsurprisingly the British Government have refused to set out the criteria for a border poll with Brandon Lewis blatenly ignoring any correspondence in relation to the topic.
Some of the SOS for NI were so ignorant! with Karen Bradley not realising voting patterns in relation the orange v green. |
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Online Points: 25074 |
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Ah here
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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Borussia
Roy Keane Joined: 14 Oct 2010 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 10712 |
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I think the findings of this census would indicate that a border poll probably isn't as close as maybe was previously thought.
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BrendanD88
Jack Charlton 99% of my posts are emojis Joined: 29 Mar 2013 Location: Co Down Status: Offline Points: 9994 |
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Don’t worry we all knew what you meant! Newryrep is a Unionist so he’s not happy with the Census results.
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zizu Kilbane
Jack Charlton Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 8363 |
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Sorry, worded poorly on my part. Catholics are now the largest faith group in NI, but no faith group has an overall majority as you've pointed out. Still massively significant
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"Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?"
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Cabra Hoop
Roy Keane Joined: 06 Feb 2012 Location: Royal County Status: Offline Points: 10835 |
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I think its well known that public service is a huge employer in NI and many from the Catholic/Nationalist persuasion have belatedly forged decent paying careers therein. I wonder would that influence the more middle class nationalist thinking if they and their jobs are subsumed into the Republics public service and promotion chances reduced.
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Newryrep
Paul McGrath Just can't get enough of lists Joined: 14 Jan 2009 Status: Offline Points: 15256 |
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Really ? last time i checked 42% wasnt a majority nor indeed is 46% !
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'Irish' Songs for an Irish team - no SPL EPL generic sh*te
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Green Cockade
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What it will come down to in a border poll may well be the votes of ethnic minorities, up to 3.4% I think it is now with Poles the largest grouping, and agnostics such as Alliance Party supporters. The bad treatment of ethnic minorities by loyalists may influence their views and a lot of agnostics are now leaning towards constitutional change not least because of Brexit. The prospect of getting back into the EU ( our “precious union”) would certainly be a significant campaigning issue. On top of which, you can never underestimate the stupidity and obduracy of political unionism. So-all good, then.
Edited by Green Cockade - 22 Sep 2022 at 12:55pm |
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zizu Kilbane
Jack Charlton Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 8363 |
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Actually the number of people who identify as British across the board has fallen considerbly since 2011, from approx 40% to 31%. (A 3rd identity of 'Northern Irish' has emerged. This will be the middle ground targeted in any future boarder poll) Equally there is a growing number of Protestants who would favour a UI, particularly since Brexit. Swings and roundabouts for sure. As I mentioned religion doesn't necessarily equate to nationally, but in the context of the North its a decent barometer. If you look at the quite clearly overt sectarian nature of the 1st 70 odd years of the 6 county, this is quite a symbolic and historic shift in demographics. Playing it down as otherwise is nonsense. |
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horsebox
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Is there?
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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Cabra Hoop
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" BFC always gives me a laugh........ "
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
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Surely this is negated somewhat by an increasing number of Catholics wanting to remain in the union and/or identifying as British?
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zizu Kilbane
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Catholics are now officially in the majority in the 6 counties. Although religion certainly does not equate nationality (also borne out of the census results), this is quite a watershed moment in history of the island.
The 'Protestant State for a Protestant Peope' is dead and not coming back. Whatever happens in the future to the constitutional position of the 6 counties, unionism will no longer be able to play the orange card. Unionism now actually will need the support of a sizable portion of the catholic electorate to maintain the status quo and safeguard the union. That's an incredible thing to witness given the history of the last 100 years on this island. Bryson, Allister et al still haven't copped onto this yet of course. The sh*t fit 167 has been having twitter the last 24 hours is hilarious as it is predictable. Any way, in the words of Yates..'all changed, changed utterly'
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"Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?"
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