Scotland v Ireland - Saturday 24 September |
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Mr. Snrub
Liam Brady Joined: 12 Mar 2016 Location: Co. Dublin Status: Online Points: 2043 |
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Parrott's been really bright for us and already has 4 international goals. He was brilliant linking up with Obafemi in June and deserves to start on merit
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darman28
Liam Brady Joined: 08 Jan 2012 Location: Sligo Status: Offline Points: 1176 |
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I would siding with this line up too. We don't get to see these players training during the week so we are just judging on form and playing regularly for their clubs as well as judging the performances in the last matches in June. But the team above makes sense to me on those points. The calls for Duffy and Coleman starting, this is my way of looking at it. All three of Doherty, Duffy and Coleman have played very little from preseason to competitive matches until now. I think we can only get away with starting one of those three due to their lack of match sharpness. Starting 2 or 3 of those players together is a big risk for me. Also I think the first two matches in June showed that starting too many players who are not match fit/sharp can cost us. I think Doherty is the best player we have in his position and has shown before he can perform for Ireland even when he is not playing regularly for the club. Duffy has shown in the past that if he is not playing regularly he doesn't perform that well for Ireland. I just don't know about starting Coleman at RWB again especially not match fit/sharp, if he was going to start I think it would be as the RCB but there are fully fit centre back players who are playing well ahead of him there. So I think Doherty wins out out of the three to start. I understand the leadership and experience qualities both Duffy and Coleman bring to the Irish team, especially a young team like ours. But you would hope Egan and McClean would take those leadership roles on the pitch. Edited by darman28 - 22 Sep 2022 at 5:20pm |
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Bandwagon
Ray Houghton Joined: 07 Feb 2021 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 3278 |
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I think so too, I really liked his midfield involvement from that position, that he wasnt hugging the touchline just getting up and down for the 90 the way someone like Doherty would as a natural RWB. He stepped into midfield and got stuck in at times, winning back balls when out of possession and getting the attack started again. Once back in possession and on the counter he was back picking up the the high wide area ready to receive the ball again where you'd expect your RWB to be. He was really sound in defense too, had no issues getting back and defending when needed too. Good awareness and judgement of where and when to be.
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John Nice
Jack Charlton Joined: 10 Sep 2021 Location: Wexford Status: Offline Points: 5137 |
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I'm fully aware thanks. Given that West Brom have played 5 at the back in previous seasons, I would be surprised if the versatile O'Shea hasnt ever played as a wing back, but I'm not going to investiagte further. Coleman is another who has very limited experience as a wing back. My point is that I dont trust McClean, Brady or O'Dowda defensively and I dont see why O'Shea couldnt play there. I have gone to some lengths to explain my thinking on this but seeing as you have simply declared he cant play there and others can, I'll just leave it at that.
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J89
Ray Houghton Joined: 25 Mar 2018 Status: Online Points: 3543 |
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See I think that's where Doherty was missed and Browne offered some similarities to him in that position. At Wolves he was used to coming inside off the wing given they played 3-4-3. Christie was spending too much time hugging the touchline and Hendrick was wrecked during the second game so that RHS of midfield wasn't offering much. RWB might not be his best position but if he fits the system better than others then he should be considered an option. |
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Fitz
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This, but with Obafemi instead of Ogbebe 👌🏼
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John Nice
Jack Charlton Joined: 10 Sep 2021 Location: Wexford Status: Offline Points: 5137 |
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I'll leave this discussion around O'Shea noting that Robertson and Tierney, both predominantly full backs in a 4 at their clubs, certainly Robertson, have played CB and WB for their countries, Doherty has played as a RWB/LWB and CB for Ireland, probably as a full back also, as has Coleman. Azpilicueta etc. etc. O'Dowda has barely played 10 games as a wing back and is a converted winger as are Brady and Mc Clean. In a game where we are likely to be on the back foot and up against a clever but not particularly pacey wide player like Stuart Armstrong, O'Shea's versatility has to at the very least merit consideration. Your condescension is cloying tbh!
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kevin100
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I don't think the shout is terrible at all. I would keep Browne at RWB and play Doherty at LWB before I would chance O'Shea there. It's down the pecking order of things I would do tbh!
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Greenie50
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Edited by Greenie50 - 22 Sep 2022 at 6:30pm |
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John Nice
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Explained ad nauseam. We dont have a decent defensive LWB in the squad. "best players" in their "best positions" - Our best players are Matt, Gav, Nathan and Josh - I am not advocating playing them out of position!
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Banana_RepublicFC
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I'd be happy if we get out of there with a 1-1 draw. The performance is just as important as the result.
With Scotland winning last night, any glimmer of 2nd place looks bleak. A 0-0 draw is what we needed. Scottish heads will be up now. A confidence building goal for McGinn who has been out of form at Villa.
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Scamper
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O Shea over Brady or McClean at LWB?
What are you smoking? £
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Greenie50
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That's
a good shout. And not just the 2 games in June but he's generally
played well for Ireland and has developed a knack for scoring in big
games (Serbia, Belgium, Scotland), & he's a leader too (Captain at Preston). Oddly he's probably one of our
biggest aerial threats after Duffy. He's earned a spot in the starting
XI if one can be found either in AM or RWB. And he's match fit right now
too. It would create another problem
though. Who replaces Knight & Molumby after they've run themselves
into the ground by 70mins? All that's left on the bench is Hendrick
& Hourihane. Hendrick is good to go, but Hourihane can't run &
can't tackle. O'Dowda?? Big risk with how injury prone he is.
Spot on. Starting a load of
unfit players is asking for a drubbing. Those players gas out early and the rest of the players have to pick up the slack, which in turn drains them faster. Errors start happening and then it's free-fall. Add Robinson to the list too,
he's played very little football this season, missed pre-season and the
first 2 games of the season with injury. As you say, Doherty gets away with it because he has no real competition & because he's proved before he can play well for us while not playing at all at club level. Duffy, Coleman & Robinson shouldn't be in the starting XI.
Ah come on. He was our best performing striker across the June window by a distance. Robinson & Ogbene had a poor window, Obafemi was magic in his 50mins vs Scotland but didn't effect the previous 2 games off the bench. Hogan was bright against Scotland but anonymous vs Ukraine. Parrott put in very solid performances back to back vs Scotland & Ukraine, even vs Armenia he was sharper/fitter than the others. The only real mark against him was the header he should have buried vs Ukraine. His all round game is very good. Hold up/link up play, work rate out of possession, good attitude, super fit. He's got 4 goals & 2 assists in 603 minutes (6.7 games) for us. He showed in June he's good enough to start most games for us. If he stays fit & playing at club level then he's well on his way to being one of our all time top goal scorers. Edited by Greenie50 - 22 Sep 2022 at 9:08pm |
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J89
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That was my first thought too and it was an issue back in June too. Brady I wouldn't be surprised if he was used as an option in a midfield three. Depth in midfield is something that needs to be addressed. |
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John Nice
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If Mc Clean starts at LWB, he'll cost us a goal, bookmark it!
Edited by John Nice - 23 Sep 2022 at 9:07am |
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horsebox
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Pathetic.
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Jack Charlton Teenage Kicks, so hard to beat Joined: 30 Mar 2015 Status: Online Points: 7583 |
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Bazunu Collins Egan O'Shea Cullen Ogbene Moloumby are all defo starters IMO. Ogbene has to start and will. The rest may be up for debate as to how we line up.
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John Nice
Jack Charlton Joined: 10 Sep 2021 Location: Wexford Status: Offline Points: 5137 |
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What's pathetic? I have serious concerns about Mc Clean at LWB. I think the Scots will target him as a weak link and he was caught out a number of times in the reverse fixture. I'm a fan of Mc Clean's, always have been and I have stood up for him here on more than one occasion. I hope he goes on to get to the 100 cap mark because he deserves it. I just dont think this is the right game for him in a packed Hampden where he will no doubt be the target of sectarian abuse also. With Doherty fit and likely to push on from his RWB berth, I just think we should be looking at a more defensive minded player for the LWB role.
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