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darman28 
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 Posted: 08 May 2023 at 8:15pm |
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There is a fair few players currently out injured.
O'Shea Coleman O'Dowda Brady Browne Ogbene Robinson Hogan Keane and Obafemi were not in the match day squads today, are they injured? I doubt Hogan would have made the next squad if he was fit because his form since the new year has been poor since his injury before Xmas. Most of rest tho would be in the squad if fully fit and available. Lenihan in for O'Shea, maybe McNally would be worth a look with him being one of the form Irish centre backs in the Championship since the new year? Festy in for Coleman? Manning in for O'Dowda/Brady? Who replaces Browne? Maybe it confirms McGraths and Sykes spot in the squad. Hopefully we have moved on from Hourihane even tho he had got into the League One's team of the season and got 17 goal contributions. Cannon in for Robinson/Ogbene? With Ferguson, Idah, Obafemi and Parrott others forwards? I hope there is a good size squad for June to have plenty 11 V 11s plus cover in the training week before the matches.
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Posted: 08 May 2023 at 6:49pm |
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Greek and Turkish leagues both still going. Obviously all the leagues end in May, but the English leagues outside the Premier League have a particularly early finish to allow time for the playoffs.
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John Nice
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Posted: 08 May 2023 at 6:40pm |
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Likely the same for Greece, most leagues near enough over. Tsimikas, giannoulis and tzolis unlikely to get any mins certainly! When does Turkish league end? A fair few over there!
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Posted: 08 May 2023 at 5:27pm |
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39 days to go until the Greece game. Looking at the squad from the last international break, really only Ferguson, Johnston, McGrath and maybe at a push Collins have much chance of playing any decent amount of competitive football between now and then. Pretty much everyone else is either injured, dropped or their club season has ended. Really not ideal. Here's the squad from the last qualifiers and their current club position: Gavin Bazunu - backup player Caoimhín Kelleher - backup player Mark Travers - backup player Séamus Coleman - out injured for the season Andrew Omobamidele - club season over Dara O'Shea - injured/club season over John Egan - club season over Matt Doherty - backup player James McClean - club season over Nathan Collins - backup player Josh Cullen - club season over Alan Browne - club season over Jeff Hendrick - club season over Jayson Molumby - club season over Mark Sykes - club season over Jason Knight - club season over Jamie McGrath - first team SPL player Will Smallbone - club season over Mikey Johnston - first team player in the Portuguese League Michael Obafemi - club season over Adam Idah - club season over Evan Ferguson - first team Premier League player (once he's back fit) Chiedozie Ogbene - injured/club season over Not great. |
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John Nice
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Posted: 30 Mar 2023 at 8:18pm |
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Half of the first xi of the 6th ranked nation in the wold had the sh*ts though. They'll all likely be fit when they play us, Dumfries, de Ligt, de Jong, Gakpo and 2 or 3 others. It just won't be the same team. They aren't as good as France, but their first Xi ain't far off! We will need a win vs them to even have a chance of top 2!
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Posted: 30 Mar 2023 at 7:57pm |
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It won't be over but yes I think it will already start to run away from us and be hard to claw back, certainly if we lose it.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2023 at 7:11pm |
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I would say a lot has to do with Netherlands sub-par performances so far in the group. A lot of confidence to be taken from that along with our own performance the other night. Build on that and we won’t be too far away from 2nd
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Posted: 30 Mar 2023 at 7:06pm |
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It’s interesting that after the draw people had no hope of us qualifying. Now we lose to France, put in a good performance though and people looking at top 2 again.
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John Nice
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Posted: 30 Mar 2023 at 6:18pm |
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It could well be enough if we can win one of the 2 games vs the Dutch. Even if we took 12pts from the games vs Greece/Gibraltar, we would almost certainly still have to win one of the games vs the Dutch to clinch 2nd. I'm obviously not saying we should set up to try and get a point over there, we should absolutely try to select a team to go for the win, but a point would not be a terrible outcome imo. 13pts could be enough as long as the French continue to win their games. Bear in mind, the Greeks will be no pushover for the Dutch either.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2023 at 5:53pm |
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In normal circumstances yes. In the context of this group it will almost certainly not be enough.
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John Nice
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Posted: 30 Mar 2023 at 5:45pm |
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Greece have played 10 competitive home games in the last 3 years, 6 Nations League and 4 World Cup Qualifiers. There record is 5-4-1 scoring 14 and conceding just 5. Their only defeat was to Spain 1-0. Their most notable victory was a 2-1 over Sweden.
For those thinking it will be any easier at the Aviva, they have played 11 competitive away games in the same period, 6 Nations League, 4 WCQ and 1 Euro Qualifier. Their record away is 6-3-2, scoring 13 and conceding 6. The two losses were away to Sweden 2-0 and away to Cyprus 1-0. They drew away to Spain 1-1. Obviously the fact they were playing in League C in the Nations League has had some bearing, but their overall competitive record in the period is Played 21. Won 11, Drew 7, Lost 3, For 27, Against 11. They dont give up goals easily, only one team Sweden has put more than one past them in 21 games. Make no mistake, Greece are a tough outfit and 4pts would be a very good return from the 2 games.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2023 at 5:32pm |
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Very unlikely we'll get anything in Amsterdam, we can't be relying on that. The Dutch will probably get something off the French at home and will get at least 4 off Greece. A draw in Greece might have been ok if we didn't lose at home to France, but we've no buffer at all now, we have to start winning games.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2023 at 5:21pm |
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If we take 4 from Greece and Holland, we’re home and hosed.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2023 at 5:20pm |
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The Fra-NL double header with three days rest is a nightmare. There would be a case as you say for playing a weakened side against the French (and hope for the best) and then go with the full strength XI at home to the Dutch. It would be pointless going with a full strength side in France, running ourselves into the ground trying to snatch a point, come back home knackered and then lose to NL at the Aviva.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2023 at 5:07pm |
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That will all but end our qualification hopes this side of the summer then. There are only five games that really matter in the group (Gibraltar is an easy 6, France away is a free hit, but also pretty much a no hoper). We've already lost the first one of the five at home. If we're only sitting at 1 point after the second one (Greece away) then it's over for us I'm afraid.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2023 at 4:45pm |
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You'd miss the good old days when the blazers from the FAs all get locked together and hammer out the fixture list into the early hours. 'Jim, I got us away to the Dutch first and then a home game against Malta at the end of the campaign' |
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I can't see us beating Greece away. A 1-1 draw isn't unrealistic.
Spain are the only team that have beaten Greece away since June 2019. They have played 16 imes since then. 9 wins, 6 draws, 1 defeat (Spain). |
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Posted: 30 Mar 2023 at 4:17pm |
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I agree, no doubt I'll be called a Kenny apologist, but along with it being a ridiculously difficult group, the fixture computer was pretty unkind as well. 2 of our 3 most winnable games dont arrive until the 6th/7th games in a series of 8 and no game on the final day is just plain wrong (5th seeds should always be the ones that miss out on the final day). As for the France/Holland double header, it's going to be tough, but the squad looks a fair bit stronger than it did previously. I do think we will likely need to target the Dutch home game however, which might mean fielding a slightly weaker XI away to France.
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