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 Posted: 11 Apr 2024 at 2:12pm |
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Is it? It’s a compendium of nations offering military assistance against Russia. Are all the nations assisting Ukraine on an empire-based enterprise? |
I wouldnt think so no. But the largest contributor I would say some form for it. In this case because prior involvement in tryong to steer the allegiance in Ukraine, I would say there is mindset by atleast some in the US that can be seen as empire building
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Is it? It’s a compendium of nations offering military assistance against Russia. Are all the nations assisting Ukraine on an empire-based enterprise?
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Posted: 11 Apr 2024 at 1:03pm |
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We are all going old ground and We wont agree. 2 narratives at play here and beliefs in one or the other. As will all these things the truth probably lies in the middle somewhere. 2 empires at war |
“2 empires at war” is narrative which you decry. |
How isnt it though? We can both agree of Ukraines dependancy on US " aid". We can both agree Us carry on like an empire. |
Sure, but assisting a nation under attack is not an empire at play. No more than any other country assisting the resistance efforts. Like I said before, Syria is a better example. Russia-Ukraine is not a proxy war. |
There is 2 empires involved in this war. Justify it however you want. So as I said. 2 empires at war |
Taking your point at face value one empire (in conjunction with a number of other countries) is assisting a smaller nation from invasion. This invasion, the belligerent, is Russia, who are also responsible for plenty of empire-esque activity. So there is one empire that is directly involved and responsible for the crisis. |
What if We consider ones empires outside involvement in attempting to steer the democratic process in Ukraine towards it. 2004, 2014. Does that not further involve that empire? |
What was occurring in the region was not ‘steering’ the democratic process. Votes still have free will. And I find it frustrating that you cannot get over the idea that the Euromaidan was Ukrainian inspired (and it appears based on one article about CIA intelligence. |
I shared a transcript yesterday showing politcal discussion by infuelncial US characters. I am not blaming the US for steering them towards them I am just saying they dont have a clean bib in Ukranian affairs. There is more to share such as articles about agent provocateurs invloved in gun fire but Im steering away from them because like the pipeline and the terrorst attack in the moscow hall. No one really knows cos they could be secret missions ans the truth will be very hard to ever find out. |
But how does their bib (clean or otherwise) play into the invasion by Russia? I think that is fundamentally the point we’ve gone round in circles on. |
I have to agree 
It was making the point of 2 complicit empires... but lets leave it |
Fair enough. But where does the majority of complicity lie. And I mean the vast majority in this case? |
Russia, but complicity is still complicity. There is 2 empires duking it out
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Posted: 11 Apr 2024 at 12:53pm |
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
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OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
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We are all going old ground and We wont agree. 2 narratives at play here and beliefs in one or the other. As will all these things the truth probably lies in the middle somewhere. 2 empires at war |
“2 empires at war” is narrative which you decry. |
How isnt it though? We can both agree of Ukraines dependancy on US " aid". We can both agree Us carry on like an empire. |
Sure, but assisting a nation under attack is not an empire at play. No more than any other country assisting the resistance efforts. Like I said before, Syria is a better example. Russia-Ukraine is not a proxy war. |
There is 2 empires involved in this war. Justify it however you want. So as I said. 2 empires at war |
Taking your point at face value one empire (in conjunction with a number of other countries) is assisting a smaller nation from invasion. This invasion, the belligerent, is Russia, who are also responsible for plenty of empire-esque activity. So there is one empire that is directly involved and responsible for the crisis. |
What if We consider ones empires outside involvement in attempting to steer the democratic process in Ukraine towards it. 2004, 2014. Does that not further involve that empire? |
What was occurring in the region was not ‘steering’ the democratic process. Votes still have free will. And I find it frustrating that you cannot get over the idea that the Euromaidan was Ukrainian inspired (and it appears based on one article about CIA intelligence. |
I shared a transcript yesterday showing politcal discussion by infuelncial US characters. I am not blaming the US for steering them towards them I am just saying they dont have a clean bib in Ukranian affairs. There is more to share such as articles about agent provocateurs invloved in gun fire but Im steering away from them because like the pipeline and the terrorst attack in the moscow hall. No one really knows cos they could be secret missions ans the truth will be very hard to ever find out. |
But how does their bib (clean or otherwise) play into the invasion by Russia? I think that is fundamentally the point we’ve gone round in circles on. |
I have to agree
It was making the point of 2 complicit empires... but lets leave it |
Fair enough. But where does the majority of complicity lie. And I mean the vast majority in this case?
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Posted: 11 Apr 2024 at 12:41pm |
Het-field wrote:
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Het-field wrote:
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Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
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We are all going old ground and We wont agree. 2 narratives at play here and beliefs in one or the other. As will all these things the truth probably lies in the middle somewhere. 2 empires at war |
“2 empires at war” is narrative which you decry. |
How isnt it though? We can both agree of Ukraines dependancy on US " aid". We can both agree Us carry on like an empire. |
Sure, but assisting a nation under attack is not an empire at play. No more than any other country assisting the resistance efforts. Like I said before, Syria is a better example. Russia-Ukraine is not a proxy war. |
There is 2 empires involved in this war. Justify it however you want. So as I said. 2 empires at war |
Taking your point at face value one empire (in conjunction with a number of other countries) is assisting a smaller nation from invasion. This invasion, the belligerent, is Russia, who are also responsible for plenty of empire-esque activity. So there is one empire that is directly involved and responsible for the crisis. |
What if We consider ones empires outside involvement in attempting to steer the democratic process in Ukraine towards it. 2004, 2014. Does that not further involve that empire? |
What was occurring in the region was not ‘steering’ the democratic process. Votes still have free will. And I find it frustrating that you cannot get over the idea that the Euromaidan was Ukrainian inspired (and it appears based on one article about CIA intelligence. |
I shared a transcript yesterday showing politcal discussion by infuelncial US characters. I am not blaming the US for steering them towards them I am just saying they dont have a clean bib in Ukranian affairs. There is more to share such as articles about agent provocateurs invloved in gun fire but Im steering away from them because like the pipeline and the terrorst attack in the moscow hall. No one really knows cos they could be secret missions ans the truth will be very hard to ever find out. |
But how does their bib (clean or otherwise) play into the invasion by Russia? I think that is fundamentally the point we’ve gone round in circles on. |
I have to agree
It was making the point of 2 complicit empires... but lets leave it
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Posted: 11 Apr 2024 at 12:38pm |
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
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We are all going old ground and We wont agree. 2 narratives at play here and beliefs in one or the other. As will all these things the truth probably lies in the middle somewhere. 2 empires at war |
“2 empires at war” is narrative which you decry. |
How isnt it though? We can both agree of Ukraines dependancy on US " aid". We can both agree Us carry on like an empire. |
Sure, but assisting a nation under attack is not an empire at play. No more than any other country assisting the resistance efforts. Like I said before, Syria is a better example. Russia-Ukraine is not a proxy war. |
There is 2 empires involved in this war. Justify it however you want. So as I said. 2 empires at war |
Taking your point at face value one empire (in conjunction with a number of other countries) is assisting a smaller nation from invasion. This invasion, the belligerent, is Russia, who are also responsible for plenty of empire-esque activity. So there is one empire that is directly involved and responsible for the crisis. |
What if We consider ones empires outside involvement in attempting to steer the democratic process in Ukraine towards it. 2004, 2014. Does that not further involve that empire? |
What was occurring in the region was not ‘steering’ the democratic process. Votes still have free will. And I find it frustrating that you cannot get over the idea that the Euromaidan was Ukrainian inspired (and it appears based on one article about CIA intelligence. |
I shared a transcript yesterday showing politcal discussion by infuelncial US characters. I am not blaming the US for steering them towards them I am just saying they dont have a clean bib in Ukranian affairs. There is more to share such as articles about agent provocateurs invloved in gun fire but Im steering away from them because like the pipeline and the terrorst attack in the moscow hall. No one really knows cos they could be secret missions ans the truth will be very hard to ever find out. |
But how does their bib (clean or otherwise) play into the invasion by Russia? I think that is fundamentally the point we’ve gone round in circles on.
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Posted: 11 Apr 2024 at 12:32pm |
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
We are all going old ground and We wont agree. 2 narratives at play here and beliefs in one or the other. As will all these things the truth probably lies in the middle somewhere. 2 empires at war |
“2 empires at war” is narrative which you decry. |
How isnt it though? We can both agree of Ukraines dependancy on US " aid". We can both agree Us carry on like an empire. |
Sure, but assisting a nation under attack is not an empire at play. No more than any other country assisting the resistance efforts. Like I said before, Syria is a better example. Russia-Ukraine is not a proxy war. |
There is 2 empires involved in this war. Justify it however you want. So as I said. 2 empires at war |
Taking your point at face value one empire (in conjunction with a number of other countries) is assisting a smaller nation from invasion. This invasion, the belligerent, is Russia, who are also responsible for plenty of empire-esque activity. So there is one empire that is directly involved and responsible for the crisis. |
What if We consider ones empires outside involvement in attempting to steer the democratic process in Ukraine towards it. 2004, 2014. Does that not further involve that empire? |
What was occurring in the region was not ‘steering’ the democratic process. Votes still have free will. And I find it frustrating that you cannot get over the idea that the Euromaidan was Ukrainian inspired (and it appears based on one article about CIA intelligence. |
I shared a transcript yesterday showing politcal discussion by infuelncial US characters. I am not blaming the US for steering them towards them I am just saying they dont have a clean bib in Ukranian affairs. There is more to share such as articles about agent provocateurs invloved in gun fire but Im steering away from them because like the pipeline and the terrorst attack in the moscow hall. No one really knows cos they could be secret missions ans the truth will be very hard to ever find out.
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Morning any news on the front lines
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Posted: 11 Apr 2024 at 12:15pm |
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
We are all going old ground and We wont agree. 2 narratives at play here and beliefs in one or the other. As will all these things the truth probably lies in the middle somewhere. 2 empires at war |
“2 empires at war” is narrative which you decry. |
How isnt it though? We can both agree of Ukraines dependancy on US " aid". We can both agree Us carry on like an empire. |
Sure, but assisting a nation under attack is not an empire at play. No more than any other country assisting the resistance efforts. Like I said before, Syria is a better example. Russia-Ukraine is not a proxy war. |
There is 2 empires involved in this war. Justify it however you want. So as I said. 2 empires at war |
Taking your point at face value one empire (in conjunction with a number of other countries) is assisting a smaller nation from invasion. This invasion, the belligerent, is Russia, who are also responsible for plenty of empire-esque activity. So there is one empire that is directly involved and responsible for the crisis. |
What if We consider ones empires outside involvement in attempting to steer the democratic process in Ukraine towards it. 2004, 2014. Does that not further involve that empire? |
What was occurring in the region was not ‘steering’ the democratic process. Votes still have free will. And I find it frustrating that you cannot get over the idea that the Euromaidan was Ukrainian inspired (and it appears based on one article about CIA intelligence.
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Posted: 11 Apr 2024 at 12:13pm |
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
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We are all going old ground and We wont agree. 2 narratives at play here and beliefs in one or the other. As will all these things the truth probably lies in the middle somewhere. 2 empires at war |
“2 empires at war” is narrative which you decry. |
How isnt it though? We can both agree of Ukraines dependancy on US " aid". We can both agree Us carry on like an empire. |
Sure, but assisting a nation under attack is not an empire at play. No more than any other country assisting the resistance efforts. Like I said before, Syria is a better example. Russia-Ukraine is not a proxy war. |
There is 2 empires involved in this war. Justify it however you want. So as I said. 2 empires at war |
Taking your point at face value one empire (in conjunction with a number of other countries) is assisting a smaller nation from invasion. This invasion, the belligerent, is Russia, who are also responsible for plenty of empire-esque activity. So there is one empire that is directly involved and responsible for the crisis. |
What if We consider ones empires outside involvement in attempting to steer the democratic process in Ukraine towards it. 2004, 2014. Does that not further involve that empire?
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Posted: 11 Apr 2024 at 11:57am |
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
We are all going old ground and We wont agree. 2 narratives at play here and beliefs in one or the other. As will all these things the truth probably lies in the middle somewhere. 2 empires at war |
“2 empires at war” is narrative which you decry. |
How isnt it though? We can both agree of Ukraines dependancy on US " aid". We can both agree Us carry on like an empire. |
Sure, but assisting a nation under attack is not an empire at play. No more than any other country assisting the resistance efforts. Like I said before, Syria is a better example. Russia-Ukraine is not a proxy war. |
There is 2 empires involved in this war. Justify it however you want. So as I said. 2 empires at war |
Taking your point at face value one empire (in conjunction with a number of other countries) is assisting a smaller nation from invasion. This invasion, the belligerent, is Russia, who are also responsible for plenty of empire-esque activity. So there is one empire that is directly involved and responsible for the crisis.
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Posted: 11 Apr 2024 at 11:51am |
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
We are all going old ground and We wont agree. 2 narratives at play here and beliefs in one or the other. As will all these things the truth probably lies in the middle somewhere. 2 empires at war |
“2 empires at war” is narrative which you decry. |
How isnt it though? We can both agree of Ukraines dependancy on US " aid". We can both agree Us carry on like an empire. |
Sure, but assisting a nation under attack is not an empire at play. No more than any other country assisting the resistance efforts. Like I said before, Syria is a better example. Russia-Ukraine is not a proxy war. |
There is 2 empires involved in this war. Justify it however you want. So as I said. 2 empires at war
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Posted: 11 Apr 2024 at 11:50am |
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Het-field wrote:
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We are all going old ground and We wont agree. 2 narratives at play here and beliefs in one or the other. As will all these things the truth probably lies in the middle somewhere. 2 empires at war |
“2 empires at war” is narrative which you decry. |
How isnt it though? We can both agree of Ukraines dependancy on US " aid". We can both agree Us carry on like an empire. |
Sure, but assisting a nation under attack is not an empire at play. No more than any other country assisting the resistance efforts. Like I said before, Syria is a better example. Russia-Ukraine is not a proxy war.
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Posted: 11 Apr 2024 at 11:48am |
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We are all going old ground and We wont agree. 2 narratives at play here and beliefs in one or the other. As will all these things the truth probably lies in the middle somewhere. 2 empires at war |
“2 empires at war” is narrative which you decry. |
How isnt it though? We can both agree of Ukraines dependancy on US " aid". We can both agree Us carry on like an empire.
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Posted: 11 Apr 2024 at 11:43am |
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We are all going old ground and We wont agree. 2 narratives at play here and beliefs in one or the other. As will all these things the truth probably lies in the middle somewhere. 2 empires at war |
“2 empires at war” is narrative which you decry.
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We are all going old ground and We wont agree. 2 narratives at play here and beliefs in one or the other. As will all these things the truth probably lies in the middle somewhere. 2 empires at war
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Posted: 11 Apr 2024 at 11:39am |
eireland wrote:
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Well done again on not answering the question(s). Ooh Aah has on multiple occasions asked you what are the simple solutions / terms for peace. bullet point form will do please. |
The more you arm them the faster Russian jets/tanks/APV's are removed from the battle field and the less confident the All Father will feel.
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But whats to say Russia cant build and arent building more. The demise of the russian army in the condlict has been predicted since day 1, 3months, 6 months.... 2 years later.....
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Posted: 11 Apr 2024 at 11:34am |
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USA invaded Iraq and Afghanistan without justification only myths they propagated to the public saying they have weapons of mass destruction. Russia invaded Ukraine because of geocide been continually carried out by Ukraine on its people in Eastern Ukraine and South Western Ukraine along with the advancement of NATO eastwards. Russia has justification for conflict. If Russia was to withdraw now, from southern and eastern Ukraine, the ethnic Russians left behind would be massacred again by Ukraine. If Ukraine were to concede defeat then the opposite of above would happen and Putin is on record of saying that. That's why I think you're hypothetically speaking through your hole with the comparison!
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