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Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Status: Offline Points: 6773 |
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Would agree with pretty much all of that. If say one of Kelleher and Bazunu in goal, two of O'Shea, Collins and Omobamidele at centre back, Knight in midfield and even just one of our young forwards went on to become quality EPL players (by that I mean Given/Dunne/John O'Shea/Doyle standard players) it would put us in a very good position and we'd fill out the team comfortably enough from there to have a pretty good side. Rice was unquestionably a huge loss though, out of all the decent players we have emerging lately I'm not sure we have one that has the potential that he has relative to his age. Collins might be the nearest but Rice would be rated well ahead of him at the moment.
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32776 |
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Rice and Grealish are huge losses but that’s life and from a career point of view you can’t argue their choice.
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Maccatacca
Ray Houghton Joined: 01 Jun 2016 Status: Offline Points: 4215 |
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For me it's all about potential partnerships you can make on the pitch by selecting talented players alongside relatively average players. For example, John O'Shea or Richard Dunne often made Sean St Ledger look decent for Ireland in a partnership at the back. St Ledger was very average player but was always beside a very experienced player so rarely let us down. I hate to keep using him as an example, but if you had Rice in our midfield, then the pressure is off the likes of Hourihane or Browne (won't stretch it to Hendrick) and they can play with a bit more freedom to go and try to create chances. If you had a prime Robbie Keane up front you could partner him with an Idah or Parrott and allow the young lads the time to try and find their feet at international level. Whereas Kenny gave Idah his debut as a lone striker and the onus was then on him to become the goal scorer straight off the bat. There's no one in the team to show these young lads how to win games, or who is used to rising to an occasion and being the top dog for their club. As much as I can't stand Wales and Scotland, they've both got players at clubs such as Juventus, Spurs (Madrid), Manchester United, Liverpool and even Celtic, where these lads are learning to win every week. Just a sprinkling is all we need, three or four players who could consistently play for the likes of Spurs or Everton and consistently be amongst their best players every season, the rest of our team would improve by their presence alone.
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tetsujin1979
Ray Houghton Joined: 22 Jan 2009 Status: Offline Points: 4116 |
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I think it's the 1-1 draw with Israel in March 2005
Shay Given(Newcastle Utd)
John O'Shea(Manchester United)
Andy O'Brien(Newcastle Utd)
Kenny Cunningham(Birmingham City)
Stephen Carr(Newcastle Utd)
Kevin Kilbane(Everton)
Roy Keane(Manchester United)
Steve Finnan(Liverpool)
Damien Duff(Chelsea)
Clinton Morrison(Birmingham City)
Robbie Keane(Tottenham) Matt Holland, then with Chalrton, came on for Clinton Morrison with five minutes to go I wrote an article about all-Premier League XIs a few years ago: http://irish-abroad.appspot.com/Blog?id=156508102060980330 |
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good to see an 18 yr old taking his chance and looking so comfortable for a team playing so well. hopefully he gets a few more games before the end of the year, maybe a loan next year would do him well
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Banjaxed
Liam Brady Joined: 21 Feb 2014 Status: Offline Points: 2965 |
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The standard of international football is more often than not vastly overrated. If we had another three really good players coming through in key areas of the pitch, we could easily compete with most teams outside the top 10 in the world.
You'd have to assume one of these players coming through is a striker, but it's fine margins in international football. A relatively settled team who's well drilled and knows exactly what they're doing can go quite far in international football. A few good players come along at the same time and suddenly your fortunes can change very quickly in international football. The fact is it's been 20 years since we've had a few good players coming along at same time our current state shows.
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kevin100
Ray Houghton Joined: 01 Jul 2020 Location: Mallow Status: Offline Points: 3379 |
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This comes back to the point it’s going to take 4/5 years for the younger lads like an Idah Collins Kelleher let’s say to name 3 to get to that level if they do at all. Scotland are a great example. Ireland and Scotland have had 19 players get PL minutes this season identical Only 3 Irish players players between the ages of 23-28 have seen PL football this year for us Egan Robinson Dunne. Scotland in contrast have 8 between 23-28 in the League. Mctominay Robertson McGinn Tierney Adam’s etc included. We have 7 lads 22 or under that have seen PL game time compared to Scotland’s 2. That’s the difference basically we stopped producing players the last decade due to off the field neglect and it’s showing.
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Baldrick
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exactly and the sooner people realise that the better. Kenny has to show signs of progress before the end of his contracted to be trusted with the job of managing these lads as they come into their prime years.
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kevin100
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Personally I don’t think Kenny will be the man long term from what I see but I’d be happy to see him play the summer and September games and have us try to continue with the style of play etc blood some of the younger players.
If the results improve wholesale then yes obviously that would be a different conversation.
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As I said, I think even a really solid good finisher playing at good level would make a massive difference to us, maybe we wouldn't beat the likes of Portugal but we be winning more games against teams on par or below us.i would be offering Liam delap a starting position for the next qualifier if I was Kenny. He probably wouldn't except it anyway
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Banjaxed
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Delap won't be playing for us, but like all our young hopefuls the last 24 months, caution is needed. Troy was drafted into the Spurs team summer of 2019 under Poch. Had a great showing in Asian tournament. Can barely hit a barn door in League 1 now. Delap is no different. I'll believe it when I see it. Until a player performs consistently at a high level, then we can start waxing lyrical about them. |
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I feel that, unfortunately for Kenny, it will be the next manager who benefits from Kenny's work here and Kenny knows that. As the old saying goes, 'A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they will never sit in.'
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Conan
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I noted the same thing a while back. There's literally not a single Republic of Ireland born player in a Premier league first team squad within an entire six year cycle (excluding Dunne's two appearances back at the beginning of the season) This must be entirely unprecedented in the history of the Premier League and even the first division that preceded it. This corresponds to the exact generation that should be the core of our team now and coming to their peak, and its just a black hole. Watching our Under-21's numerous times during the latter part of Don Givens reign and the early part of Noel King's it was abundantly obvious that Grealish and Rice were the only players involved that had much hope of making top international performers, and both had more appealing options of course. The remainder looked like Championship players to be at best, and so it has proven. Everyone on here was laying the blame for the team's failure pretty much squarely on the managers, and while its obvious King at least barely had the interest in winning matches , let alone the competence (more interested in earning his bounty for picking lower league granny rulers) it was overlooking the fact the talent just wasn't there and that is why we are in the position we are now in world football. I actually pity Kenny, or anyone else who takes the job on. Our players are always (or at least usually) far overrated by Ireland fans so no manager can expect to fulfil public expectations, fuelled by the glory of the Charlton years.
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kevin100
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Yes this sums it up. Take homegrown options our Goalkeepers: Randolph Westwood Kelleher Bazunu Travers Attackers: Long Maguire Idah Connolly Parrott Obafemi Common denominator bar Maguire your talking a decade between Randolph,Long and the younger lads. A reflection of the off the field sh*t. Maguire Horgan Curtis Browne Manning Lenihan they are the homegrown options between 23-28. No PL potential player in there bar possibly Manning at a push. Egan of course tops the list a fine player hes 28 at the moment. Even granny rulers Robinson and Cullen is making great strides the two stand outs. What we are left with now is player pushing on, or out of form/going off the boil and Kennys original U21s. Edited by kevin100 - 08 Apr 2021 at 1:29am |
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started again today and another clean sheet for Norwich
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84 of 86 passes completed today I real elsewhere
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Future CM for Ireland so.
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Norwich are pretty much guaranteed premier league football next season. Having both Idah and omobanidele getting premier league experience will be very welcome indeed.
I suspect idah might go on loan though as the injuries have prevented him challenging for a starting place up front.
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