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Watched Switzerland a couple of months back outplay England at under 21 level, seem to have a very good side.
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Watched Switzerland a couple of months back outplay England at under 21 level, seem to have a very good side.
 

Topped there last qualifying Group ahead of France as well I’m sure. Another country with a fully functioning League where the standard is quite high. Helps with developing young players hugely. 
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There's no doubt they looked a more cohesive unit throughout.

We did have periods where we got at them but never forced a save, as far as I can recall.  No clear-cut chances.  Wright pinged a nice corner move just past the post but that was a close as we got.

Should have been 3 or 4 nil, if I am being honest.

But these games are good for our players.  Proper tests and the management will have learned a bit.
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Was trying to follow Conor Coventry in the first half and if I'm being honest he didn't look that great. Johansson was dropping very deep too which you probably want him as far up the pitch as possible for a midfielder.
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Probably more than any other Ireland Under 21 player Coventry needs a full season of first team football next season. Doesn't look to be progressing at all with the West Ham Under 23s.

Has played over 60 games in PL2 for West Ham without getting a minute on the pitch for West Ham in the Premier League. Is being left behind by others who are getting out and playing senior games.


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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Probably more than any other Ireland Under 21 player Coventry needs a full season of first team football next season. Doesn't look to be progressing at all with the West Ham Under 23s.

Has played over 60 games in PL2 for West Ham without getting a minute on the pitch for West Ham in the Premier League. Is being left behind by others who are getting out and playing senior games.
 


It’s just so infuriating seeing clubs not loan young players out from 19-23 in particular for game time. Gavin Kilkenny and Mark Travers at Bournemouth two more. 

Forgetting about the Irish lads it seems to be a theme at West Ham and Bournemouth in general. Who in gods name is running the show at these clubs in the background. 
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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Was trying to follow Conor Coventry in the first half and if I'm being honest he didn't look that great. Johansson was dropping very deep too which you probably want him as far up the pitch as possible for a midfielder.
Said before on here. too safe. Always back or sideways. I don’t rate him at all.
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Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Probably more than any other Ireland Under 21 player Coventry needs a full season of first team football next season. Doesn't look to be progressing at all with the West Ham Under 23s.

Has played over 60 games in PL2 for West Ham without getting a minute on the pitch for West Ham in the Premier League. Is being left behind by others who are getting out and playing senior games.
 


It’s just so infuriating seeing clubs not loan young players out from 19-23 in particular for game time. Gavin Kilkenny and Mark Travers at Bournemouth two more. 

Forgetting about the Irish lads it seems to be a theme at West Ham and Bournemouth in general. Who in gods name is running the show at these clubs in the background. 

Ah, we're not going to go down the conspiratorial route are we? 

If they're good enough, they'll get a chance to play senior level at some stage. 
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Probably more than any other Ireland Under 21 player Coventry needs a full season of first team football next season. Doesn't look to be progressing at all with the West Ham Under 23s.

Has played over 60 games in PL2 for West Ham without getting a minute on the pitch for West Ham in the Premier League. Is being left behind by others who are getting out and playing senior games.
 


It’s just so infuriating seeing clubs not loan young players out from 19-23 in particular for game time. Gavin Kilkenny and Mark Travers at Bournemouth two more. 

Forgetting about the Irish lads it seems to be a theme at West Ham and Bournemouth in general. Who in gods name is running the show at these clubs in the background. 

Ah, we're not going to go down the conspiratorial route are we? 

If they're good enough, they'll get a chance to play senior level at some stage. 
 

I find Bournemouth and West Ham are two clubs that don’t develop young players or use the loan system as effectively as let’s say Brighton Southampton or Norwich. 

The stats would very much back this up if you looked into them.
So tell me what is conspirational about it?  
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Conspirational would suggest it's specific to Irish players in some way - I think he's just saying that some clubs are rubbish at bringing through young players in general, which is fair enough - some clubs are rubbish at it. 

It's easy enough to pick out which UK clubs young Irish players should be aiming towards - the likes of Brighton, Derby, Stoke, Southampton will always give young players a chance if they show any sort of potential - either in the first team or out on loan. 

Others, like Watford, Palace and Celtic don't seem to manage their youth development as successfully. The big six are often best avoided purely based on the standard of their first team and the finances available making it so difficult to break through.
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Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Probably more than any other Ireland Under 21 player Coventry needs a full season of first team football next season. Doesn't look to be progressing at all with the West Ham Under 23s.

Has played over 60 games in PL2 for West Ham without getting a minute on the pitch for West Ham in the Premier League. Is being left behind by others who are getting out and playing senior games.
 


It’s just so infuriating seeing clubs not loan young players out from 19-23 in particular for game time. Gavin Kilkenny and Mark Travers at Bournemouth two more. 

Forgetting about the Irish lads it seems to be a theme at West Ham and Bournemouth in general. Who in gods name is running the show at these clubs in the background. 

Ah, we're not going to go down the conspiratorial route are we? 

If they're good enough, they'll get a chance to play senior level at some stage. 
 

I find Bournemouth and West Ham are two clubs that don’t develop young players or use the loan system as effectively as let’s say Brighton Southampton or Norwich. 

The stats would very much back this up if you looked into them.
So tell me what is conspirational about it?  



The fact that you singled out Irish players as opposed players in general that these clubs may 'forget' about,  which suggests a bias/conspiracy against Irish players particularly. 
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Probably more than any other Ireland Under 21 player Coventry needs a full season of first team football next season. Doesn't look to be progressing at all with the West Ham Under 23s.

Has played over 60 games in PL2 for West Ham without getting a minute on the pitch for West Ham in the Premier League. Is being left behind by others who are getting out and playing senior games.
 


It’s just so infuriating seeing clubs not loan young players out from 19-23 in particular for game time. Gavin Kilkenny and Mark Travers at Bournemouth two more. 

Forgetting about the Irish lads it seems to be a theme at West Ham and Bournemouth in general. Who in gods name is running the show at these clubs in the background. 

Ah, we're not going to go down the conspiratorial route are we? 

If they're good enough, they'll get a chance to play senior level at some stage. 
 

I find Bournemouth and West Ham are two clubs that don’t develop young players or use the loan system as effectively as let’s say Brighton Southampton or Norwich. 

The stats would very much back this up if you looked into them.
So tell me what is conspirational about it?  



The fact that you singled out Irish players as opposed players in general that these clubs may 'forget' about,  which suggests a bias/conspiracy against Irish players particularly. 




 

I specifically made a point of saying forget about the Irish lads it seemed to be a general issue at those clubs. I mentioned the Irish lads prior as well they are Irish I’m hardly going to mention Scottish lads am I? 
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Conspirational would suggest it's specific to Irish players in some way - I think he's just saying that some clubs are rubbish at bringing through young players in general, which is fair enough - some clubs are rubbish at it. 

It's easy enough to pick out which UK clubs young Irish players should be aiming towards - the likes of Brighton, Derby, Stoke, Southampton will always give young players a chance if they show any sort of potential - either in the first team or out on loan. 

Others, like Watford, Palace and Celtic don't seem to manage their youth development as successfully. The big six are often best avoided purely based on the standard of their first team and the finances available making it so difficult to break through.
 

Watford is another good example actually Newcastle the same. Managing your academy/youth development isn’t conspirational that would be like saying decent managers and bad managers is conspirational. 

Brentford and Swansea who wouldn’t have Irish players come through in recent years are other fine examples.
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Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Probably more than any other Ireland Under 21 player Coventry needs a full season of first team football next season. Doesn't look to be progressing at all with the West Ham Under 23s.

Has played over 60 games in PL2 for West Ham without getting a minute on the pitch for West Ham in the Premier League. Is being left behind by others who are getting out and playing senior games.
 


It’s just so infuriating seeing clubs not loan young players out from 19-23 in particular for game time. Gavin Kilkenny and Mark Travers at Bournemouth two more. 

Forgetting about the Irish lads it seems to be a theme at West Ham and Bournemouth in general. Who in gods name is running the show at these clubs in the background. 

Ah, we're not going to go down the conspiratorial route are we? 

If they're good enough, they'll get a chance to play senior level at some stage. 
 

I find Bournemouth and West Ham are two clubs that don’t develop young players or use the loan system as effectively as let’s say Brighton Southampton or Norwich. 

The stats would very much back this up if you looked into them.
So tell me what is conspirational about it?  



The fact that you singled out Irish players as opposed players in general that these clubs may 'forget' about,  which suggests a bias/conspiracy against Irish players particularly. 




 

I specifically made a point of saying forget about the Irish lads it seemed to be a general issue at those clubs. I mentioned the Irish lads prior as well they are Irish I’m hardly going to mention Scottish lads am I? 

Eh?

If you're making a point that those two clubs have issues developing young players/using the loan system in general that's fine. The fact you specified Irish players suggests there's some bias against them over players of a different nationality. 

I think you just framed it wrong if you're making a general point about those two clubs. 
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When you consider that of the players that played today, 

this was the first u21 cap for johansson, ebosele, Richards, flynn and mcentee.

It was also only the second cap for maher, grant, Gilbert, Noss, Watson, Wright and connell.

Mcguinness, keyode and Ferry have 3 caps now

Leaving Coventry (14) 
Kilkenny (8)
And afolobe (4)

The Swiss were slightly more experienced with 

Forwards 
Stojilkovic (8) and 2 goals 
Okefor (7) and 2 goals 
Mambimbi (8)

Midfielders 
Jankewitz (10)
Imeri (10)
Sohm (4)

Defense and keeper pretty much debutant.
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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

When you consider that of the players that played today, 

this was the first u21 cap for johansson, ebosele, Richards, flynn and mcentee.

It was also only the second cap for maher, grant, Gilbert, Noss, Watson, Wright and connell.

Mcguinness, keyode and Ferry have 3 caps now

Leaving Coventry (14) 
Kilkenny (8)
And afolobe (4)

The Swiss were slightly more experienced with 

Forwards 
Stojilkovic (8) and 2 goals 
Okefor (7) and 2 goals 
Mambimbi (8)

Midfielders 
Jankewitz (10)
Imeri (10)
Sohm (4)

Defense and keeper pretty much debutant.

Doesn't matter as it's the Swiss and those fookers always beat us. LOL
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Lads, West Ham are literally known as the Academy of football ffs LOL
 

They have a great tradition yes. Unfortunately the infamous dildo brothers didn’t exist prior to 2010. Even West Ham fans would acknowledge this.
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