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I haven’t been a fan of McCleans performances but he was good yesterday. Made a few defensive challenge and put some dangerous crosses in. Mixed in with his usual commitment and effort, he was impressive overall. 
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The general consensus is that he played well and you just want to focus on the negative aspects.

His crossing was decent last night. I rewatched the Andorra game and your right he did lost his man, are you going to be like a dog with a bone now for the next 3 months highlighting this?
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But you never comment on it. You only criticize and your very quick off the mark highlighting his mistakes but turn a blind eye to other players mistakes.

(I didn't think it was McClean's man for the goal against Andorra.)

His crossing was poor in the Andorra 1st half, he had a decent second half, part of this issue was he was forced to cross as Hourihane failed to make himself available. He's also returning from a spell on the sidelines so wouldn't be as match fit as others.

I thought he played well last night, worked hard, provided defensive cover and defended well, he put in a number of good crosses into box too.

Both Cullen and Hourihane showed a lot more for the ball in last nights game too, which helped the 2 wing backs.

If you compare with Doherty, who at club level, is a far superior player, how many good crosses did put in? I don't recall.



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Cmon horse, he lost his man for the Andorra goal. Defensively he's been very good but that was a miss on mccleans part.

I would agree he was more effective than Doherty on the other side. 

Mcclean has 80 odd caps for ireland so is one of the most experienced players on the pitch by a long way. But he can be a very frustrating player with the ball.

He'll run through a brick wall to get the ball and then balloon a cross over the goal. 

Hes the hardest working player in the team and I would have him in the left back position against Portugal all day long, but the guy can be a frustrating player to watch.

But you are right that I should highlight the very good stuff he brings to the team more.
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Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

Originally posted by sausy sausy wrote:

Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

Originally posted by Saint Tom Saint Tom wrote:

Good to see balanced reaction on here.

This was never gong to be a quick fix. Very encouraged by the sheer number of former underage players under Kenny who have put their hands up for selection and now hold the shirts. Buzunu, o'shea, parrot, idah, Knight.

Also good to see older players come back into consideration, horgan, Duffy and mcclean can be happy with their work this week.

The armchair dickheads, the type who find paddy Power bants amusing, will always be there. The core support base needs to support what Kenny is trying to do, whether it is him in the long term or not, it's important that these players are blooded now and grow together. Whatever happens, no one can fault him for not trying to do right by Irish football. 
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Doherty was good last night dont ubderstand the stick he gets .
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Originally posted by sausy sausy wrote:

Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

Originally posted by Saint Tom Saint Tom wrote:

Good to see balanced reaction on here.

This was never gong to be a quick fix. Very encouraged by the sheer number of former underage players under Kenny who have put their hands up for selection and now hold the shirts. Buzunu, o'shea, parrot, idah, Knight.

Also good to see older players come back into consideration, horgan, Duffy and mcclean can be happy with their work this week.

The armchair dickheads, the type who find paddy Power bants amusing, will always be there. The core support base needs to support what Kenny is trying to do, whether it is him in the long term or not, it's important that these players are blooded now and grow together. Whatever happens, no one can fault him for not trying to do right by Irish football. 
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Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

If Hourihane is in the midfield, coupled with Duffy in a back 3, then get your money on Hungary. 

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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

It's probably because you don't like him and have never once cut him any slack. You have dismissed his performances at club and country since the day you signed up to the forum.

Your too busy thinking Ferry or Smallbone will be the next Rivilinho until you watch them play before writing them off and moving to the age group etc...



Hmm fair enough.. but I just questioned his distribution and crossing, also losing his man for the Andorra goal.

I dont think that's unfair criticism of a senior player. 

There were a lot of other things he did very well. 

But you never comment on it. You only criticize and your very quick off the mark highlighting his mistakes but turn a blind eye to other players mistakes.

(I didn't think it was McClean's man for the goal against Andorra.)

His crossing was poor in the Andorra 1st half, he had a decent second half, part of this issue was he was forced to cross as Hourihane failed to make himself available. He's also returning from a spell on the sidelines so wouldn't be as match fit as others.

I thought he played well last night, worked hard, provided defensive cover and defended well, he put in a number of good crosses into box too.

Both Cullen and Hourihane showed a lot more for the ball in last nights game too, which helped the 2 wing backs.

If you compare with Doherty, who at club level, is a far superior player, how many good crosses did put in? I don't recall.

 
 


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I’d agree he’s doing ok there, better than stevens, more energy.
Opposing full backs hate seeing him, know they’re going to be black and blue after being clattered with his crosses all night though. If he could cross it with the enthusiasm he puts into running he’d be brilliant.
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I think it was one of McClean's best performances in awhile and he did put in a few decent crosses I thought. He was excellent defensively. 

That wing back role is made for him and he's one of the best Irish players I've ever seen for stamina. 

Stevens has never played that well for Ireland imo and I would definitely start McClean away to Portugal given the amount of sustained pressure we'll be under. Wing back is McClean's position to lose imo. 
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

It's probably because you don't like him and have never once cut him any slack. You have dismissed his performances at club and country since the day you signed up to the forum.

Your too busy thinking Ferry or Smallbone will be the next Rivilinho until you watch them play before writing them off and moving to the age group etc...



Hmm fair enough.. but I just questioned his distribution and crossing, also losing his man for the Andorra goal.

I dont think that's unfair criticism of a senior player. 

There were a lot of other things he did very well. 
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Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

Originally posted by Saint Tom Saint Tom wrote:

Good to see balanced reaction on here.

This was never gong to be a quick fix. Very encouraged by the sheer number of former underage players under Kenny who have put their hands up for selection and now hold the shirts. Buzunu, o'shea, parrot, idah, Knight.

Also good to see older players come back into consideration, horgan, Duffy and mcclean can be happy with their work this week.

The armchair dickheads, the type who find paddy Power bants amusing, will always be there. The core support base needs to support what Kenny is trying to do, whether it is him in the long term or not, it's important that these players are blooded now and grow together. Whatever happens, no one can fault him for not trying to do right by Irish football. 
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

It's probably because you don't like him and have never once cut him any slack. You have dismissed his performances at club and country since the day you signed up to the forum.

Your too busy thinking Ferry or Smallbone will be the next Rivilinho until you watch them play before writing them off and moving to the age group etc...



Couldn't have put it better myself. 
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It's probably because you don't like him and have never once cut him any slack. You have dismissed his performances at club and country since the day you signed up to the forum.

Your too busy thinking Ferry or Smallbone will be the next Rivilinho until you watch them play before writing them off and moving to the age group etc...
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I think Duffy did very well bit we did play a deep.line which is where he excels. 

I really.want to but I can't understand why people.think mcclean did well over.the two games. Work rate is still there but his distribution of the ball is really poor. His crossing will inevitably hit the first man. Defensively is usually.good but he lost his man for the Andorra goal.

I think the team were organised Defensively and Hungary didn't look like they were going to have an easy day of it.

Personally I'm pleased with the performance from a defensive viewpoint from a point of going forward with the ball there is work to be done.

The midfield were consistently 5 feet from the defensive line but 50 feet for the forward line. 

Times when idah (who I thought really grew into the game) had the ball and he had zero options with a bunch of Hungarians baring down on him.
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A lot of positives to take from the camp.

1) First win under Kenny
2) Undefeated
3) Keeper situation- both  Bazunu and Kelleher done really well, I'd say Randolph is still no.1 but if he isn't playing regularly and one of the other two are can see Kenny playing selecting one of them over him. 
4) Some of the older guard have come back in and are doing well, Duffy, McClean.
5) The younger players seem to be adapting to the team, Parrott, Knight, Idah, O'Shea all had good games and minutes during the friendlies.

negatives I suppose was performance against Andorra was lacklustre at times until they scored really, but you have to give credit to Andorra too they made it difficult for us, but we followed that up with a good performance against Hungary.
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Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

Originally posted by Saint Tom Saint Tom wrote:

Good to see balanced reaction on here.

This was never gong to be a quick fix. Very encouraged by the sheer number of former underage players under Kenny who have put their hands up for selection and now hold the shirts. Buzunu, o'shea, parrot, idah, Knight.

Also good to see older players come back into consideration, horgan, Duffy and mcclean can be happy with their work this week.

The armchair dickheads, the type who find paddy Power bants amusing, will always be there. The core support base needs to support what Kenny is trying to do, whether it is him in the long term or not, it's important that these players are blooded now and grow together. Whatever happens, no one can fault him for not trying to do right by Irish football. 
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Spot on there! And I still think the core of the support and in fairness a lot of the decent sports reporters in the media are still behind him too as it’s often their opinions the “armchair dickheads” regurgitate as their own. Roll on September where he will hopefully have a full squad to pick from and fans at the games.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:


I think it will depend on performances as much as anything, maybe even more than results. Honestly, up until tonight, the performances have been abysmal under Kenny. Tonight in the second half there were finally some green shoots. If tonight is a new starting point, lessons are learnt from the mistakes of the past year and we see further evidence of development in terms of performances on the field he'll be given a fair chance.

If we go back to trying to play a style that doesn't suit the players we have it will fall apart again fairly quickly. It's up to him now.


That's patently untrue.
We've had some excellent spells of play in quite a few games.
We should have beaten Slovakia and put it up to Serbia for a time.

v Wales, with a decimated squad, we were the better team for long periods.
Several other NL games we did OK in and but for small margins would have gotten more positive results.
Sure we've not been world-beaters but nobody with any  senses would expect us to be.

In some games we were poor, Luxembourg and Andorra (until we woke up) being the main two but to suggest we were abysmal in all bar tonight is disingenuous and thankfully most people around here will see through it.
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